Woody Paige says McDaniels and Xanders should be fired in Denver

[Hammock Parties]

WOW! EPIC FAIL! I LOVE IT!

Broncos blow call on Cutler fiasco

The Broncos have lost quarterback Jay Cutler.

If Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders were thinking, even for a microsecond, about trading Jay Cutler, both must be fired today by Pat Bowlen. If the Broncos' owner was a co-conspirator in such a preposterous, outrageous thought, he should fire himself.

Do not suffer the fools gladly. They obviously know not what they do.

The Broncos' new hierarchy has lost Cutler's respect, his excitement about free agents just signed, his enthusiasm for a restructured offense and a totally retooled defense, his commitment to the team, his determination to make the Broncos a power again in the NFL and his efforts to prove his value. He has lost the certainty of being in Denver.

"I'm upset. I mean, I'm really shocked at this point," Cutler told The Post's Mike Klis on Saturday afternoon. The quarterback then said he didn't think the matter was settled, and he could still be traded.

The Pro Bowl quarterback wasn't any more stunned than everyone else in Colorado and throughout the nation when it was reported Saturday that his name was mentioned prominently — front and center — in a trade involving the Tampa Bay Bucs, the New England Patriots, the Detroit Lions, No. 1 draft choices and Matt Cassel.

The last time we heard of such an extreme, ludicrous deal, the Broncos got John Elway for a No. 1 draft pick, a reserve quarterback and three exhibition games between Denver and Baltimore. (Really). But the Broncos were on the right side then.

This is the wrong message, wrong time, wrong thought, wrong men at the wheel.

McDaniels admitted the Broncos have been approached about trading Cutler, but said the quarterback was "not the only person in the last few days we've received calls on." We don't care if somebody called about a backup defensive end.

All the new coach should have said was: "We were asked about Cutler. We responded that under no conditions, in no uncertain terms, would we even ever talk about trading Cutler."

Maybe there is, after all, a problem with being a young, inexperienced head coach.

Or maybe McDaniels was contemplating a trade of Cutler for Cassel, who had a very good year with the New Eng- land Patriots, but could be a one-year wonder.

If the Patriots had talked about Tom Brady for Cutler, well . . . but there would be no reason for the Broncos to talk to Tampa Bay about anything. And if the Detroit Lions wanted to talk about giving up their entire draft, including the No. 1 pick, for Cutler, then you listen.

And where is the new general manager — reading his X-files? Xanders, who has been slow to figure out his job, should have been on the phones Saturday afternoon to The Post denying that the Broncos would ever think about trading Cutler, and on the phone to Cutler apologizing for any misconceptions and begging for forgiveness. But the X-Man's on-the-job training apparently didn't prepare him for complicated situations.

And what did Bowlen know and when? The owner claims the responsibility for the Broncos runs to the top. He should have been providing explanations, not hiding behind a desk like Nixon.

This is a total mucked-up mess, and the Broncos' brass didn't know how to handle it.

Oh, it can and should be said that Cutler is a petulant sort who pouts when he doesn't get his way — on the field and in the community, and he can be a lout. He has to realize this is the NFL, and stuff will happen. He was all hot and bothered when Mike Shanahan and his guide, Jeremy Bates, were flipped aside for McDaniels and The Brave New Direction. But Cutler supposedly got over it and moved on. Peyton Manning will be playing for his third coach. Joe Montana was kicked out the door. Hall of Fame quarterbacks have been traded.

Then, there was the matter of Elway. After the '91 season, then-coach Dan Reeves wanted to get rid of Elway. He told me and others that Elway couldn't or wouldn't read defenses and couldn't or wouldn't win a Super Bowl.

Elway and Reeves weren't on the same page, not in the same universe. They barely coexisted.

A deal with the Redskins fell through during the summer. Bowlen chose Elway over Reeves and fired the coach. Elway eventually won two Super Bowls.

Cutler is in Elway's shadow, but not in his standing yet, and likely will never be. Defensive backs and his ego get in the way of too many of Cutler's passes. But he is a quality young quarterback and the class of 2006. Rather have Vince Young or Matt Leinart now? And Cassel is a sand castle in comparison.

Cutler shouldn't be traded. When somebody calls about Jay, Kid Mac or the X-Man should hang up.

And the face of your franchise should not be treated like ground beef. McDaniels, who must be running the team, not Xanders or Bowlen, should have gone to Cutler's house and said: "Jay, Tampa Bay, Detroit and New England came to us, and I told them to go spit in their helmets. You're my guy."

Or maybe McDaniels was lying when he told me: "I hope Jay is as excited about playing for me as I am excited about having him as my quarterback."

McDaniels must get this predicament settled today. We don't really care if the Broncos signed a couple of backup running backs and a veteran (maybe too veteran) safety with a proud past and a — be still, our hearts — a long snapper to a three-year contract. This team starts and stops with Cutler.

What were they thinking? They weren't thinking. The Broncos need to go find Jay Cutler.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight

Ohh ok... I have had an account sitting over there that they never activated.

You can usually find him over in DC, but you have to put on a pair of waders and a bird-flu mask to come outta there disease-free.

[Ultra Peanut]

Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

Our new QB can eat cake icing straight out of the jar.

Holy shit.

[DTLB58]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Lost in all this..

There must be something about Cutler that Mcdaniels does not like? Hmmmm

Yup, And I'm loving it

[MGRS13]

Lets start this with Cutler is better then Cassel. But is that a big deal? Cassel has had less time to prove what he can do. You can't really make the argument that Cassel was only good because of his wideouts when arguing the two because Cutler has also got some really good ones. Cutler doesn't, at least where I'm sitting, have very good leadership qualitys. But he can throw the ball a long long way I'll give him that. So saying Cassel is better right now is just not accurate but saying Cutler is the best yong QB is STUPID. Neither has made it to the playoffs but Cutler has fell apart when the shits on the line, not to say Cassel won't but Cutler has. This debate will be played out on the field no doubt about it. But for any one to say There is no way you trade Cutler and end up with Cassel is ignorant so far neither has done any thing the only reason Cutler is considered better is he has more playing time.

[Mile High Mania]

Cassell had a great season in 2008... statistically, so did Cutler.

The difference between the two, for the most part... NE had a better running game and a MUCH better defense across the board. It's never the fault of one guy.

So, Cutler needs to man up and just move on and hope that the new regime can fix the defense. So far so good, nothing flashy... but I like it.

Cassell is moving from a very well run franchise with a solid OL... top WR threats and a top 10 defense, to a team that doesn't have all of that. So, KC has a lot of things to improve on before Cassell 2009 is Cassell 2008.

The 2009 season will be very interesting for both KC and Denver.

[wild1]

It's hard for me to understand why the fan base is so married to Cutler. If the head coach prefers another team's backup, or is willing to flip him for picks and just start over, maybe there is something there? In any case Bowlen is not going anywhere, the GM is not going anywhere, McDaniels is not going anywhere. Get used to the idea.

If Cutler wants to continue being a baby - which I know is par for the course for him - then he's going to mouth his way out of Denver. If he were untouchable, he wouldn't be having this conversation. He needs to come to terms with the fact that he's not untouchable - he's an average NFL QB and is not untradeable and does not have the franchise hanging from his jock.

Time for a dose of reality for the (former) golden boy I suppose.

[Stinger]

Originally Posted by Guru

How's the Mange?

It has been non-stop comedy for a day and a half now. Epic and I mean Epic melt downs........

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by wild1

It's hard for me to understand why the fan base is so married to Cutler. If the head coach prefers another team's backup, or is willing to flip him for picks and just start over, maybe there is something there? In any case Bowlen is not going anywhere, the GM is not going anywhere, McDaniels is not going anywhere. Get used to the idea.

If Cutler wants to continue being a baby - which I know is par for the course for him - then he's going to mouth his way out of Denver. If he were untouchable, he wouldn't be having this conversation. He needs to come to terms with the fact that he's not untouchable - he's an average NFL QB and is not untradeable and does not have the franchise hanging from his jock.

Time for a dose of reality for the (former) golden boy I suppose.

Cutler is in a group of young QBs that have played well, have nice stats and have done nothing in the playoffs... see Rivers and Romo for two other selections to that group. Some will say that Cutler doesn't belong in the same conversation as Rivers and Romo, but all I ask is what's the real difference in the 3 of them? Neither of them has done anything of note in the playoffs.

[rad]

Has cutler played in the playoffs?

[wild1]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Cutler is in a group of young QBs that have played well, have nice stats and have done nothing in the playoffs... see Rivers and Romo for two other selections to that group. Some will say that Cutler doesn't belong in the same conversation as Rivers and Romo, but all I ask is what's the real difference in the 3 of them? Neither of them has done anything of note in the playoffs.

well, the thrust of this whole situation is this. Cutler does not yet have the maturity to be a professional in this league. Here is a guy who probably coasted in high school, and at Vandy, just on talent. He gets to the NFL and has a coach who is gaga over him and he's the golden boy his entire life up until yesterday. Yesterday, he gets a dose of the real world and that football is a business, and now he's throwing a temper tantrum.

We see them on the field from him, now we see it here too. Whomever coaches him next needs to work not only on coaching him as a QB but also as a man.

[MGRS13]

Originally Posted by wild1

It's hard for me to understand why the fan base is so married to Cutler. If the head coach prefers another team's backup, or is willing to flip him for picks and just start over, maybe there is something there? In any case Bowlen is not going anywhere, the GM is not going anywhere, McDaniels is not going anywhere. Get used to the idea.

If Cutler wants to continue being a baby - which I know is par for the course for him - then he's going to mouth his way out of Denver. If he were untouchable, he wouldn't be having this conversation. He needs to come to terms with the fact that he's not untouchable - he's an average NFL QB and is not untradeable and does not have the franchise hanging from his jock.

Time for a dose of reality for the (former) golden boy I suppose.

I agree with this to a point. Where you lose me is the idea that Cutler is the only QB to have deal with a bad defense. Th donks this year were the 2003 chiefs and even Green was able to lead them to the playoffs. And also this year Drew Brees dealt with the same issue and put up HUGE numbers compared to Cutler. So yea the donks were one sided but again I don't understand why any body thinks Cutler has been any thing other then above average at best. The guys got a long long way to go to prove any different.

[wild1]

Originally Posted by MGRS13

I agree with this to a point. Where you lose me is the idea that Cutler is the only QB to have deal with a bad defense. Th donks this year were the 2003 chiefs and even Green was able to lead them to the playoffs. And also this year Drew Brees dealt with the same issue and put up HUGE numbers compared to Cutler. So yea the donks were one sided but again I don't understand why any body thinks Cutler has been any thing other then above average at best. The guys got a long long way to go to prove any different.

I didn't contrast him and the others in his class. He's a nice QB... I think he'll be an above average NFL QB for as long as is in the league.

[Mile High Mania]

I don't disagree with most of what has been said, but by the comments from most last season.. The Chargers as a team were better than Denver, same with Dallas and they were expected to do much better.

Rivers is a hell of a QB and had a strong year... all that is wrong in Denver cannot and should not lie at the feet of Cutler. Yes, he needs to grow up a bit... the same had to happen for Rivers and it has to happen with Romo too.

I've never said or implied that Cutler is at that 'great' stage... he's better than half the QBs in the league, but he's got a lot to work on.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Yes that guy is great.

I think this guy and Demonpenz are related.

[MGRS13]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Cutler is in a group of young QBs that have played well, have nice stats and have done nothing in the playoffs... see Rivers and Romo for two other selections to that group. Some will say that Cutler doesn't belong in the same conversation as Rivers and Romo, but all I ask is what's the real difference in the 3 of them? Neither of them has done anything of note in the playoffs.

Rivers is better, you know the whole playing in and winning play off games is what matters. And even Romo has made it to the play offs so you have to put him slightly above Cutler. Of course they all fail to compare to Eli, you can throw out all the stats you want. Eli showed up when it mattered and until any of the others get a ring they aren't in the conversation.