Green = Grbac?

[The Rick]

According to Jeffrey Flanagan he does...statistically anyway.

Uh-oh! Grbac and Green have eerily similar statistics

JEFFREY FLANAGAN

Perhaps Elvis Grbac never really left the building.

Elvis Grbac is Trent Green.

Seriously, their statistics are frighteningly similar — virtually identical in some areas.

• Grbac was here four years and was 26-22 as a starter. Green is in his fourth year and is 30-29 as a starter.

• Both quarterbacks started one playoff game here, both losses. Grbac had a 94.4 passer rating in his loss; Green had a 92.6 passer rating in his loss.

• Grbac threw for a touchdown once in every 23.45 passes here. Green has thrown for a touchdown once in every 23.02 passes.

• Grbac threw an interception once in every 32 passes. Green has thrown an interception once in every 32 passes.

• Grbac completed 58 percent of his passes here. Green has completed 61 percent of his passes.

• Green's cumulative numbers for touchdowns and yards are higher than Grbac's, simply because he has played more games. Green averages 7.7 yards per attempt, Grbac 6.9.

One can easily argue that Green has had more weapons, too. Grbac didn't have Priest Holmes or what some say is the league's best offensive line.

Grbac also didn't benefit from the imaginative play-calling of Al Saunders. Grbac was stuck with Paul Hackett and Jimmy Raye.

There is one other striking similarity. Both quarterbacks have a signature end-of-the-game play.

For Grbac, it was throwing the ball 15 yards short of the first down, hoping the receiver could miraculously break 20 tackles to keep the drive alive. For Green, it's taking a sack.

We will allow Green this much: He's never taken a cheap shot at his receivers, like Grbac did.

***

People still refer to NFL schedules as “soft” or “hard,” when in reality it's been years since each divisional team's schedule fluctuated much.

For example, the Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders and Chargers all play the same opponents, except for two.

This year, the Chiefs, based on winning the AFC West last year, had to play the champs of the AFC East (New England) and the AFC North (Baltimore). It just so happens that those two teams have a combined 17-5 record.

The Raiders drew Pittsburgh and Buffalo, who are a combined 15-7.

The Broncos drew Miami and Cincinnati, both having disappointing years while combining for a 7-15 mark.

The Chargers had the Browns and Jets, who are a combined 11-11.

***

Former Chief Nick Lowery didn't make the recent cutdown from 90 to 25 in the voting for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and that doesn't sit well with those who appreciate the skill of kicking in the NFL.

The Hall of Fame has just one kicker inducted — Jan Stenerud — and zero punters, not even Ray Guy.

Lowery finished his career with 383 field goals, third most in NFL history behind Gary Anderson (533) and Morten Andersen (515).

The best kicker in the game today, New England's Adam Vinatieri, strongly believes it's time that kickers and punters start literally kicking down the doors of the Hall.

“Guy should be in there,” Vinatieri told the Boston Globe. “Lowery should be in there. Both the Andersons (sic) should be, too. You play over 20 years and score 2,000 points and there's no place for you in the Hall of Fame? Maybe in the back somewhere? Come on, now.”

To reach Jeffrey Flanagan call (816) 234-4492 and leave a message or email jflanagan@kcstar.com

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[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

Hey, I was not a big fan of Marty but I believed HE should have stayed and CP go...

and given the choice between Marty and DV I'd choose Marty hands down even with his lack of SB win. His product, not to mention his personality, is more stable (Greg Hill issues not withstanding) and I believe Carl was riding Marty's success more than the other way around.

I'd agree with that. There was no way Marty was going to stay, though. He had totally lost control of the team.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

Hey, I was not a big fan of Marty but I believed HE should have stayed and CP go...

and given the choice between Marty and DV I'd choose Marty hands down even with his lack of SB win. His product, not to mention his personality, is more stable (Greg Hill issues not withstanding) and I believe Carl was riding Marty's success more than the other way around.

Right. Vermeil's been to the super bowl twice. Marty will never get there. Write it down.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Right. Vermeil's been to the super bowl twice. Marty will never get there. Write it down.

The DV we know is never going to get there either.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

Hey, I was not a big fan of Marty but I believed HE should have stayed and CP go...

and given the choice between Marty and DV I'd choose Marty hands down even with his lack of SB win. His product, not to mention his personality, is more stable (Greg Hill issues not withstanding) and I believe Carl was riding Marty's success more than the other way around.

- And the eye-opener of the week goes to.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Thanks for the shining generality, devoid of substance.

Truth hurts, eh?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by milkman

I like Green, and I would like to see how he fares with a complete team.

I agree to an extent. I must admit that I'm a little nervous in that Trent has been in the league for so long and not been in an important game. Will he Elway/Brady up, or Manning/Schottenheimer out?

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by UserName

I'd agree with that. There was no way Marty was going to stay, though. He had totally lost control of the team.

That he had but I think it was because the team knew, thanks to the 1997 playoffs, that he wasn't the one calling the shots.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

This thread should have 5 pages by noon.

4 pages and it's not even 10am. I knew I could count on you guys.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I agree to an extent. I must admit that I'm a little nervous in that Trent has been in the league for so long and not been in an important game. Will he Elway/Brady up, or Manning/Schottenheimer out?

Did you watch the playoff game last year? He looked pretty damn good out there if you ask me.

Hell, if his receivers hadn't dropped five passes, we'd probably have won.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by UserName

Did you watch the playoff game last year? He looked pretty damn good out there if you ask me.

Hell, if his receivers hadn't dropped five passes, we'd probably have won.

There is all the difference in the world between playing catch up and playing for the win.
There are thing in each of Schottenheimer's playoff loses where, if they'd have gone a little different, we'd have been in the SB. How come Green gets the what if pass and Schottenheimer [and even Grbac] gets the what if brush off?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I agree to an extent. I must admit that I'm a little nervous in that Trent has been in the league for so long and not been in an important game. Will he Elway/Brady up, or Manning/Schottenheimer out?

That is the $64K question.
If he gets the chance, this will be how he'll be judged.

If he never gets to play with a more complete team, the only comparison that we'll be able to draw from, besides meaningless stats, is that Elvi was a pussy, and Green isn't.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by UserName

Did you watch the playoff game last year? He looked pretty damn good out there if you ask me.

Hell, if his receivers hadn't dropped five passes, we'd probably have won.

Heh, there were a lot of "if this had happened and if that had happened" type things in that game. But none of them were on Green, IMO. The man did everything in his power to win that game. He played outstanding and should've had the W.

This piece by Flannigan is about the same quality as a roll of Charmin. As a matter of fact, if I bought the KC Star, I would use this piece for that very purpose.

[RedNFeisty]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

There is all the difference in the world between playing catch up and playing for the win.
There are thing in each of Schottenheimer's playoff loses where, if they'd have gone a little different, we'd have been in the SB. How come Green gets the what if pass and Schottenheimer [and even Grbac] gets the what if brush off?

Marty had how many years to prove himself and get the Chiefs to the SB?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

There is all the difference in the world between playing catch up and playing for the win.
There are thing in each of Schottenheimer's playoff loses where, if they'd have gone a little different, we'd have been in the SB. How come Green gets the what if pass and Schottenheimer [and even Grbac] gets the what if brush off?

I'm not sure I fully take your meaning.

Green didn't choke AT ALL in that playoff game. Grbac choked like a beyotch in his.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by RedNFeisty

Marty had how many years to prove himself and get the Chiefs to the SB?

Not to metion how many years with the Browns before that?