If Grbac has a bad year, will the Chiefs go after Trent Green? - Page 4

TEX · 09-07-2000, 12:47 AM

Lets say that Grbac really has a bad year. In Raye's offense, that wouldn't surprise me especially if we fall behind early and often this season. Would the Chiefs pursue Trent Green? Or if Grbac was released, would the cap hit be too much. Could he be traded for Green and back up Warner. Again are the dollars involved too high here too? Wpuld Al Saundars come back to be the Chiefs OC? Any thoughts?

09-07-2000, 09:26 AM

Cloud is too slow for a 205lb. scatback, he can't even freaking return kicks.

Moreau on the other hand is good. He's shown flashes, but he comes out, busts off a 12 yard run and then gets set back on the bench.

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KCTitus · 09-07-2000, 09:29 AM

That has been an odd phenomenon in our KC offense.

Can anyone explain why when a player makes a good run or play why the coaches pull him out?

I havent noticed this on other teams.

**ChiTown** · 09-07-2000, 09:32 AM

Titus - you can't have RBBC if you only give one guy the ball. [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

It's a ****ty philosophy of keeping fresh backs in the game. I hate it and would rather see one back get 25+ carries and get a rhythm of the game.

KCTitus · 09-07-2000, 09:36 AM

True, but even with RBBC, wouldnt you run the most successful guy against the defense?

It's almost as if it's RBBF--Running Back By Failure. I mean before Bennett got hurt, he ran the ball the most and was the absolute worst.

he finished with NEGATIVE yardage.

Red Till Dead · 09-07-2000, 09:42 AM

What makes anyone think Trent Green could do any better in Jimmy Rayes' system. Or lack there of. He has looked pretty good for the rams but so has an ex arena league football player.

If 80% of the passes a QB is allowed to throw are on 3rd and long. All will suffer the same fate as chiefs QBs. Running when a team anticipates the run, and passing when teams know you will pass is a sure sign of future failure.

Hey but we do mix it up sometimes by running the ball on 3 and 18. Even when we have decent field position.

The "Here we come, I dare you to stop us" offense of Jimmy Raye is a joke. If we really want to show how tough we are why don't we tell them the play before we run it!
Heck we almost do that now.

Clint in Wichita · 09-07-2000, 09:47 AM

With a few simple audibles installed in the offense (and a QB with enough intelligence to use them wisely), KC could absolutely TORCH some of those 8 man fronts.

Maybe next year.

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Oxford · 09-07-2000, 10:14 AM

Caretaker quarterback time. EG is gone after the year (cap casualty), Moon retires, and Collins has the job by default. Dan Williams is released, Carlton Gray is released (if he hasn't been traded yet). Look for a QB that can make decisions quickly, with a more compact motion that EG. It just takes him too long to get unwound (kinda like Todd Blackledge).

nmt1 · 09-07-2000, 10:35 AM

Gregg:
They've got to convert Moreau to FB so they can start him as a HB.

[This message has been edited by nmt1 (edited 09-07-2000).]

nmt1 · 09-07-2000, 10:36 AM

...as a HB.

TEX · 09-07-2000, 11:03 AM

Red,
You have a good point about Trent Green failing in Raye's system. I've said on MANY occasions that Raye's system has slowed the development of Grbac. Grbac showed potential in the West Coast offense. To me he looked more comfortable in that system. Maybe because it's a real system. Sure, people point ou that last year was Grbac's best. IMHO - he was protected by the run thus limiting his attempts.

Why is it that ALL our QB's $UCK A$$?? Could it be because of the "system"? Let's see, we're a running team that runs the RBBC because we have NO legit FEATURE RB. There is a huge chance for the "system" to fail. That's exactly like a West Coast team that employs a WRBC approach that features a bunch of slow - posession receivers with NO deep threat. The system would fail here also! There's a message here and it's NOT too difficult to figure out!

09-07-2000, 11:32 AM

To the original question here.

NO!!! Trent Green is 30 also. Lets go with some youth at the QB slot also when we rebuild this thing.

DaWolf · 09-07-2000, 02:27 PM

I'm more interested in hiring Al Saunders as the OC.

nmt1 · 09-07-2000, 02:31 PM

I think it would be hard to hire Al Saunders. He left the Chiefs and won a ring his first year away. He would probably want to be head coach with personnel powers.

09-07-2000, 02:34 PM

There is only one thing that the Chiefs have that the Rams could use. It's called a Gonzalez. Does anything wanna give him up for another aging (over promoted?) QB?

milkman · 09-07-2000, 08:03 PM

OK, we know CP isn't going anywhere, but if he were, I'd want Jeff Diamond also. Then bring in Dom Capers to be head coach, because, like Mora, he probably learned from his mistakes in his first head coaching job. With him, he could bring the J-Ville LB coach to run his defense. Hire Bruce Arians, Indy QB coach to be OC. With these guys we'd have a coaching staff that could be very good, and could probably right this listing boat.

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09-07-2000, 09:26 AM	#46
htismaqe Guest Casino cash: $	Cloud is too slow for a 205lb. scatback, he can't even freaking return kicks. Moreau on the other hand is good. He's shown flashes, but he comes out, busts off a 12 yard run and then gets set back on the bench. ------------------ Parker [b]ChiefsPlanet Administrator[/b] [i]Jimmy Raye for President...anything to get him out of Kansas City[/i] [i]More Moreau</I>
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09-07-2000, 09:29 AM	#47
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	That has been an odd phenomenon in our KC offense. Can anyone explain why when a player makes a good run or play why the coaches pull him out? I havent noticed this on other teams.
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09-07-2000, 09:32 AM	#48
ChiTown Stroking to the SB Champs! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Flatlands of Kansas Casino cash: $2823962	Titus - you can't have RBBC if you only give one guy the ball. [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img] It's a ****ty philosophy of keeping fresh backs in the game. I hate it and would rather see one back get 25+ carries and get a rhythm of the game.
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09-07-2000, 09:36 AM	#49
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	True, but even with RBBC, wouldnt you run the most successful guy against the defense? It's almost as if it's RBBF--Running Back By Failure. I mean before Bennett got hurt, he ran the ball the most and was the absolute worst. he finished with NEGATIVE yardage.
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09-07-2000, 09:42 AM	#50
Red Till Dead Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	What makes anyone think Trent Green could do any better in Jimmy Rayes' system. Or lack there of. He has looked pretty good for the rams but so has an ex arena league football player. If 80% of the passes a QB is allowed to throw are on 3rd and long. All will suffer the same fate as chiefs QBs. Running when a team anticipates the run, and passing when teams know you will pass is a sure sign of future failure. Hey but we do mix it up sometimes by running the ball on 3 and 18. Even when we have decent field position. The "Here we come, I dare you to stop us" offense of Jimmy Raye is a joke. If we really want to show how tough we are why don't we tell them the play before we run it! Heck we almost do that now.
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09-07-2000, 12:47 AM
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Casino cash: $1883127	Lets say that Grbac really has a bad year. In Raye's offense, that wouldn't surprise me especially if we fall behind early and often this season. Would the Chiefs pursue Trent Green? Or if Grbac was released, would the cap hit be too much. Could he be traded for Green and back up Warner. Again are the dollars involved too high here too? Wpuld Al Saundars come back to be the Chiefs OC? Any thoughts?
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09-07-2000, 09:47 AM	#51
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	With a few simple audibles installed in the offense (and a QB with enough intelligence to use them wisely), KC could absolutely TORCH some of those 8 man fronts. Maybe next year. ------------------ This is my signature!! There are many like it but this one is mine!!
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09-07-2000, 10:14 AM	#52
Oxford Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Springfield,MO Casino cash: $9625535	Caretaker quarterback time. EG is gone after the year (cap casualty), Moon retires, and Collins has the job by default. Dan Williams is released, Carlton Gray is released (if he hasn't been traded yet). Look for a QB that can make decisions quickly, with a more compact motion that EG. It just takes him too long to get unwound (kinda like Todd Blackledge).
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09-07-2000, 10:35 AM	#53
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Gregg: They've got to convert Moreau to FB so they can start him as a HB. [This message has been edited by nmt1 (edited 09-07-2000).]
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09-07-2000, 10:36 AM	#54
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09-07-2000, 11:03 AM	#55
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Casino cash: $1883127	Red, You have a good point about Trent Green failing in Raye's system. I've said on MANY occasions that Raye's system has slowed the development of Grbac. Grbac showed potential in the West Coast offense. To me he looked more comfortable in that system. Maybe because it's a real system. Sure, people point ou that last year was Grbac's best. IMHO - he was protected by the run thus limiting his attempts. Why is it that ALL our QB's $UCK A$$?? Could it be because of the "system"? Let's see, we're a running team that runs the RBBC because we have NO legit FEATURE RB. There is a huge chance for the "system" to fail. That's exactly like a West Coast team that employs a WRBC approach that features a bunch of slow - posession receivers with NO deep threat. The system would fail here also! There's a message here and it's NOT too difficult to figure out!
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09-07-2000, 11:32 AM	#56
Coogs Guest Casino cash: $	To the original question here. NO!!! Trent Green is 30 also. Lets go with some youth at the QB slot also when we rebuild this thing.
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09-07-2000, 02:27 PM	#57
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	I'm more interested in hiring Al Saunders as the OC.
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09-07-2000, 02:31 PM	#58
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I think it would be hard to hire Al Saunders. He left the Chiefs and won a ring his first year away. He would probably want to be head coach with personnel powers.
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09-07-2000, 02:34 PM	#59
Kurt Surber Guest Casino cash: $	There is only one thing that the Chiefs have that the Rams could use. It's called a Gonzalez. Does anything wanna give him up for another aging (over promoted?) QB?
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09-07-2000, 08:03 PM	#60
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	OK, we know CP isn't going anywhere, but if he were, I'd want Jeff Diamond also. Then bring in Dom Capers to be head coach, because, like Mora, he probably learned from his mistakes in his first head coaching job. With him, he could bring the J-Ville LB coach to run his defense. Hire Bruce Arians, Indy QB coach to be OC. With these guys we'd have a coaching staff that could be very good, and could probably right this listing boat. ------------------ [b]Red Eyes[/b] [i]Chinn Up, it ain't nothin' but a thang.</I>
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