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Old 08-24-2016, 12:29 PM   #1
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Didn't the 2 picks around him get what he's asking for? With the slotting system it's hard to imagine not getting a guy signed.
Kinda. Wentz didn't. Ramsey did because the Jaguars never do deferred payments, while pretty much every other team in the NFL does.

This hold out has to be the dumbest holdout in the history of holdouts. Bosa will get all his money. They're fighting over WHEN he gets it. All now, or half now half a few months from now. Pretty dumb.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:28 PM   #2
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The bright side? Chargers can take Bosa with a top 5 pick again next year.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:30 PM   #3
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:37 PM   #4
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So now Chargers PR is posting aspects of the negotiations on it's site...which paints Bosa in a terrible light. Brilliant tactic...clown-show. Didn't they learn anything from Elway pissing off Miller for leaking details.

I'll be extremely surprised if he ever plays a down for them....
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:35 PM   #5
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I'm assuming it's never a good thing when a team tweets out details of a rejected contract offer.

Charge on.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:42 PM   #6
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believe you all are siding with the Chargers over Bosa on this. The CHARGERS ARE BEING ASININE ABOUT THIS.

This is not Bosa's issue, this is Dean Spanos being an egotistical reerun. The Bosas are absolutely correct to not sign and bow to this ridiculous contract.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:43 PM   #7
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believe you all are siding with the Chargers over Bosa on this. The CHARGERS ARE BEING ASININE ABOUT THIS.

This is not Bosa's issue, this is Dean Spanos being an egotistical reerun. The Bosas are absolutely correct to not sign and bow to this ridiculous contract.
There are 100 other Chargers that signed that didn't get what he wants. He's pissed hes not getting all his money now as opposed to 80% now and 20% next season.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:55 PM   #8
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believe you all are siding with the Chargers over Bosa on this. The CHARGERS ARE BEING ASININE ABOUT THIS.

This is not Bosa's issue, this is Dean Spanos being an egotistical reerun. The Bosas are absolutely correct to not sign and bow to this ridiculous contract.
Wholeheartedly agree with you. Blows my mind that so many people are posting that its Bosa's fault.
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:01 PM   #9
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Wholeheartedly agree with you. Blows my mind that so many people are posting that its Bosa's fault.
and what exactly is wrong with the offer that the Chargers gave Bosa


offset clause if he gets cut? You can thank Terelle Owen's crying ass for that shit.

He would sign a contract, turn into a huge pain in the ass so he got cut and then go to a new team and repeat the process. I believe at one point he was "getting" signing bonus money from 3 or 4 different teams at the same time.

Teams don't want players intentionally not playing once they get their signing bonus ala Owens
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:07 PM   #10
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Wholeheartedly agree with you. Blows my mind that so many people are posting that its Bosa's fault.
What's unreasonable about the offer?

It's industry standard. Sure, some teams don't use the exact format, but many of them do.

This isn't the Chargers telling him they'd pay him in pennies and only during leap years. They offered him a contract that's in line with every other contract they've offered (and had accepted) by previous 1st round picks. The contract is comparable to contracts given by teams around him and by teams that have drafted in/around that position over the previous several years.

Bosa's the one being unreasonable here.
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:09 PM   #11
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What's unreasonable about the offer?

It's industry standard. Sure, some teams don't use the exact format, but many of them do.

This isn't the Chargers telling him they'd pay him in pennies and only during leap years. They offered him a contract that's in line with every other contract they've offered (and had accepted) by previous 1st round picks. The contract is comparable to contracts given by teams around him and by teams that have drafted in/around that position over the previous several years.

Bosa's the one being unreasonable here.
Bosa is being offered a contract that no one else(top 5 pick) has accepted since 2012. They've either gotten the bonus at once or the offset language was removed. The Chargers won't do either. A similar situation happened last year with Mariota but both sides met in the middle which is something the Chargers aren't willing to do.
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Bosa is being offered a contract that no one else(top 5 pick) has accepted since 2012. They've either gotten the bonus at once or the offset language was removed. The Chargers won't do either. A similar situation happened last year with Mariota but both sides met in the middle which is something the Chargers aren't willing to do.
Yup, this is on the Chargers.
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:14 PM   #13
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Bosa is being offered a contract that no one else(top 5 pick) has accepted since 2012. They've either gotten the bonus at once or the offset language was removed. The Chargers won't do either. A similar situation happened last year with Mariota but both sides met in the middle which is something the Chargers aren't willing to do.
I'm stunned so many people are siding with SD, a team with a long history of pulling shit like this.

If you really look at what people are saying, it's basically they think he's over-rated as a player and they think that's somehow relevant. It isn't. The chargers drafted him at 3. If they didn't want to sign him, they should have traded the pick.

No other team would be having this problem right now.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:55 PM   #14
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believe you all are siding with the Chargers over Bosa on this. The CHARGERS ARE BEING ASININE ABOUT THIS.

This is not Bosa's issue, this is Dean Spanos being an egotistical reerun. The Bosas are absolutely correct to not sign and bow to this ridiculous contract.
Bosa and his agent are reeruns
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:12 PM   #15
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Bosa and his agent are reeruns
As far as I understand top draft picks get a choice between deferred language or the bonus up front.

Chargers continue to offer neither, so they can protect themselves.

The way it's being framed in the media, which obviously supports the NFL, is that Bosa is simply demanding his full bonus up front when he's essentially asking for the same thing every other player at his draft slot has received since 2012 and what 95% of draft picks in the top 3 rounds have received in the same span.

50% up front with offset language is a bad rookie deal for Bosa, and that's what had been offered. The new offer was basically the same thing with 60% up front.

The chargers, as usual, have been active in smearing Bosa and setting the narrative that he's just a greedy asshole. The truth is they're just squeezing pennies because their shit organization is broke.
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