Woof. Alright, so what would you do?

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

We say this shit every year though.

Last year it was all the close losses in December to shit teams. Two years ago it was that 6 week stretch and then a few other games, three years ago they weren't beating the Falcons and other teams by enough points, 4 years ago they were 6-4, 5 years ago the defense sucked balls, 6 years ago.... oh wait, that was Alex.

This isn’t scheme or bad luck though with the WR. It’s a pattern. But most of all it’s apparently not fixable because if it was I think it would have shown signs of improvement by now.

Basically every WR is over exposed right now. We are asking our fourth outfielder who normally plays once or twice a week to give the starters a break to instead bat third in the lineup and play every day.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

This isn’t scheme or bad luck though with the WR. It’s a pattern. But most of all it’s apparently not fixable because if it was I think it would have shown signs of improvement by now.

Basically every WR is over exposed right now. We are asking our fourth outfielder who normally plays once or twice a week to give the starters a break to instead bat third in the lineup and play every day.

Yeah, and I'm not trying to sweep it under the rug by any means. Even Kelce didn't look good last night, much less just about the easiest game winning catch you can make being dropped. And you just expect a different level of focus and perform after a bye in prime time at home in a SB rematch.

I'd say the one encouraging thing was it seemed like they were getting to 3rd and short quite a bit, like the older days. I could be wrong, but didn't seem like they had nearly as many 2nd and longs that turned into 3rd and longs.

Even in the 2nd half, they ****ed up several manageable 3rd downs. In the playoffs that means Mahomes is probably running for more 1st downs, and Kelce most likely isn't dropping everything.

And I'm usually the one screaming offense wins championships and you have to be able to score 30+ in a game or 3 when the games really matter... but, just not sure that's true on the AFC side this year given Burrow is out, Allen is struggling, and the defense is ****ing legit.

[DrunkBassGuitar]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, and I'm not trying to sweep it under the rug by any means. Even Kelce didn't look good last night, much less just about the easiest game winning catch you can make being dropped. And you just expect a different level of focus and perform after a bye in prime time at home in a SB rematch.

I'd say the one encouraging thing was it seemed like they were getting to 3rd and short quite a bit, like the older days. I could be wrong, but didn't seem like they had nearly as many 2nd and longs that turned into 3rd and longs.

Even in the 2nd half, they ****ed up several manageable 3rd downs. In the playoffs that means Mahomes is probably running for more 1st downs, and Kelce most likely isn't dropping everything.

And I'm usually the one screaming offense wins championships and you have to be able to score 30+ in a game or 3 when the games really matter... but, just not sure that's true on the AFC side this year given Burrow is out, Allen is struggling, and the defense is ****ing legit.

The highest opponent score this season was the broncos with 24 and that included a bunch of turnovers. So you don't even need to score 30. 24 is probably enough with this defense. Average so far is 22.5

[MIAdragon]

It is what it is, this is the team as constructed by Burt and Andy. Pretty egregious mistake, that’s hopefully addressed next season.

[Eleazar]

There’s nothing you can do other than try to coach them to execute. The personnel isn’t good enough and it can’t be improved at this point in the year. The guys who aren’t on the same page with Mahomes have been here for multiple years and just don’t seem to get it.

They whiffed on the position in the offseason, and now we have a WR group that is basically Rice with some substandard slot guys and gadget players. There’s no way to make chicken salad here.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

There’s nothing you can do other than try to coach them to execute. The personnel isn’t good enough and it can’t be improved at this point in the year. The guys who aren’t on the same page with Mahomes have been here for multiple years and just don’t seem to get it.

They whiffed on the position in the offseason, and now we have a WR group that is basically Rice with some substandard slot guys and gadget players. There’s no way to make chicken salad here.

If they can serve the basic function that high school wide receivers do this team will win another superbowl.

They've been in position to make the play, they just didn't catch a football. Something they do hundreds of times a day.

I'm not going to lose the faith. It's been historically ugly up to this point, but I'm not giving up on them.

[CadeMeister]

Originally Posted by notorious

If they can serve the basic function that high school wide receivers do this team will win another superbowl.

They've been in position to make the play, they just didn't catch a football. Something they do hundreds of times a day.

I'm not going to lose the faith. It's been historically ugly up to this point, but I'm not giving up on them.

Why does the receiver coach continue to have a job ? FIRE the _ucking receiver coach today. My bet he is not anywhere near qualified to coach NFL players.

Can ANYONE on this site name the receiver coach of the Chiefs "without Google"?

[notorious]

Originally Posted by CadeMeister

Why does the receiver coach continue to have a job ? FIRE the _ucking receiver coach today. My bet he is not anywhere near qualified to coach NFL players.

Can ANYONE on this site name the receiver coach of the Chiefs "without Google"?

An NFL wide receiver doesn't need a coach to tell them to catch the ball.

They've been doing it their entire career.

It's like blaming the line coach when dudes are jumping offside.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by notorious

An NFL wide receiver doesn't need a coach to tell them to catch the ball.

They've been doing it their entire career.

It's like blaming the line coach when dudes are jumping offside.

The problem runs MUCH deeper than that. This offense has been the buzzsaw of old to open most games, but as soon as we're done with the opening script the wheels fall off and every receiver starts ****ing up the most rudimentary shit. Something is fundamentally broken in the chain when every single WR goes from serviceable to worthless once we're calling plays on the fly, and as much wishful thinking as there has been poured into it Rice hasn't developed a ****ing bit since getting here. He's the same guy that walked on the field week 1.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by CadeMeister

Why does the receiver coach continue to have a job ? FIRE the _ucking receiver coach today. My bet he is not anywhere near qualified to coach NFL players.

Can ANYONE on this site name the receiver coach of the Chiefs "without Google"?

Are we sure he's not one of Andy's children?

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

NOW.

Not last March. No 'what I would've done is...'.

What would you do NOW?

I would stop with the rotation at WR.

I'm playing Rice and Toney every play unless they need a breather. They are the two most talented.

I'm putting Hardman in MVS' spot. He's the fastest, and MVS never played big anyway. run ****ing go routes until you drop, Mecole. If they don't pull a safety over, we'll chuck it to you.

When Hardman needs a breath, send Watson out there.


Probably run a lot of 21.

Keep feeding Pacheco.

Simplify as much as you can.

I told you stopping the rotation was it :-). But yeah most of what you say I'd go with. I'm probably have Toney taking some of those MVS routes too, he's got the juice to separate early and he at least can track a ball and catch...probably.

Obviously drop Moore's snaps substantially and make sure they're all from the slot. I'd probably activate James and see if he can operate there too.

[Sassy Squatch]

Uhh, why do people keep pointing to Rice as being anything other than a JAG with the rest? He's maintaining the same substandard production despite having how workload nearly doubled and the dude drops balls just like the rest of them. I keep seeing this sentiment about Rice and to this point it simply isn't true. He's just as much a part of the problem currently as the rest of them.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Uhh, why do people keep pointing to Rice as being anything other than a JAG with the rest? He's maintaining the same substandard production despite having how workload nearly doubled and the dude drops balls just like the rest of them. I keep seeing this sentiment about Rice and to this point it simply isn't true. He's just as much a part of the problem currently as the rest of them.

Sure but the other WRs are what they were.

Rashee has plenty of room for growth. unlike the other guys mistakes are expected. Let him make more mistakes. Our best shot at improving this wr room is to accelerate his growth and to do that we have to give him opportunities to make mistakes. Although he's running better depth of routes we still target him very conservatively

[jerryaldini]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Uhh, why do people keep pointing to Rice as being anything other than a JAG with the rest? He's maintaining the same substandard production despite having how workload nearly doubled and the dude drops balls just like the rest of them. I keep seeing this sentiment about Rice and to this point it simply isn't true. He's just as much a part of the problem currently as the rest of them.

Yeah, he's getting the second most snaps. He's fine for a rookie where he was taken, but he's not the solution. Another drop last night. Toney is a weak body part time gadget guy. We just have to deal with the fact Watson is our number 1, which seems crazy but true

[Rainbarrel]

Watson losing Mahomes faith, may force the issue of other options. They knew enough to block Mahomes outlet wearing #1. The Eagles had some hefty motivation