GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends - Page 4

nmt1 · 12-01-2004, 06:35 AM

Of course we all know that Gretz is just a shill for the organization but I found this column interesting.

GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends
Dec 01, 2004, 6:01:28 AM by Bob Gretz

It’s only natural given the Chiefs position at the bottom of the AFC West standings that the blame game is being heavily played by the fans and media. Expectations were high; production has been low, so off with their heads!

This always leads to a gestation process that creates great urban legends surrounding the Chiefs. Several of these have been bounced around lately by the tin-horn voices that control the sports talk airwaves, in this case both the hosts and the callers. Sometimes they get help from national media types who have 15 seconds to report something that requires two minutes to put into perspective.

Stand back and sometimes you can see these snippets of rumor and information go from a fire the size of a match, to that of a blazing inferno, complete with cover-ups, payoffs and black helicopters patrolling the area around Arrowhead Stadium.

For instance:

ITEM: CBS-TV cameras caught Priest Holmes munching on nachos in a private box during the game with the Chargers. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #1: Holmes no longer cares about the team or his teammates and has already packed it in for the 2004 season.

REALITY: Believe me, if Holmes was done for the season, he would be back home in San Antonio with his children and family; he wouldn’t be hanging at Arrowhead eating those nasty stadium nachos. That Holmes watched the Chargers game from a box and was not on the sidelines is nothing new. He did the same thing in the New England game, and in fact, ABC cameras showed him there. He wasn’t eating nachos, so apparently that’s what raises the ire of some fans. Holmes has always done this. Back in the 2003 pre-season when he was being handled gingerly after his hip injury and surgery, he would take his few plays in the first quarter and then disappear into the locker room. Again nothing was made of it then. Holmes has not quit on his team or this season.

ITEM: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days before their Monday night game with New England. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #2: The Chiefs locker room is a powder key ready to explode with teammates fighting each other.

REALITY: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days leading up to their Monday night game in Baltimore. This received little or no attention outside of Arrowhead Stadium. Inside the team, the activity was actually welcomed by some of the coaches and players. The Chiefs were 0-3 at the time and needed to raise their intensity level. It paid off with a nice victory over the Ravens, one of the few high marks of the season.

The fights that came down the week before the New England game involved defensive backs and wide receivers. The scout team DBs had been told by a member of the Chiefs offensive coaching staff to be physical with the wide receivers coming off the line of scrimmage because that’s what they would face against the Patriots. So the DBs did what they were told, several receivers objected and there was plenty of pushing and shoving.

Folks it happens all the time on the practice field. If it doesn’t, then the coaching staff better start worrying about the intensity level of the team. For this to be reported on a national TV pre-game show, as it was on the Fox network, is a joke.

ITEM: The Chiefs are, pick one: (1.) $6 million (2.) $8 million, or (3.) $10 million under the NFL salary cap this year. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #3: This is proof positive that all Lamar Hunt and Carl Peterson are worried about is the bottom line and they are hurting the football team by not using all of the cap money in 2004.

REALITY: As of early this week, the Chiefs were approximately $4.7 million under the league salary cap figure of $80.5 million. Last year at this time, they were $5.2 million under the cap. Funny, but nobody complained at this time last year when they were 10-1.

Their current state is not unusual; there are a lot of NFL teams in the same position. Will that $4.7 million go to waste? No. The Chiefs have already used up some of that total by extending the contract of center Casey Wiegmann. Some of that total will be eaten up by incentive bonuses that players earn in 2004. With what’s left over, they will structure incentive bonuses for players that will not be earned this year. Those monies will then be carried over into the 2005 salary cap as credits.

The fact is the Chiefs have spent more than the salary cap this year on personnel. When you factor in signing bonuses and so forth, they’ve spent $86 million on players. When you are talking about cash and cap, the Chiefs are over the number.

Sooner or later, Chiefs fans need to understand that when it comes to making the cap work, their team is one of the best in the league. Now, who that money is spent on, is certainly open for criticism and questioning.

ITEM: Former Chiefs linebacker Donnie Edwards ends former team’s hopes with late-game interception. URBAN CHIEFS LEGED #4: Edwards is playing for the Chargers because the Chiefs didn’t want to pay him big money.

REALITY: The only reason Edwards is not wearing a Chiefs uniform today is a guy named Greg Robinson. The fact is the Chiefs were quite confident they could sign Edwards to a new deal at a financial number that was good for him and the team. Edwards didn’t want to leave and just about everyone around Arrowhead did not want to lose him.

Robinson was the exception. He felt Edwards’ play did not conform to his defensive system and style during the 2001 season. The defensive coordinator did not want him, and against the better judgment of many people inside Arrowhead, Edwards was allowed to walk away. Funny thing, but the Chiefs spent more money in 2003 signing free agent LB Shawn Barber, than it would have taken to keep Edwards.

Now, Edwards is the defensive leader of the division leading Chargers, Barber is on IR for the rest of the year with a knee injury and Robinson is getting ready for a bowl game with the Texas Longhorns.

Source

**Mr. Kotter** · 12-01-2004, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Hey, Titus, you wanna add "retarted" to the lexicon?

Yeah, I'll second that....

Now we can type "teh ghey asshat genious is retarted."

memyselfI · 12-01-2004, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDChiefsfan

Yeah, I'll second that....

Now we can type "teh asshat genious is retarted."

correction:

"teh asshat genious is retarted and a moran."

KCTitus · 12-01-2004, 10:12 AM

I thought 'retart' was a chiefsplanet spelling like genious and looser, but we can add it to The Lexicon--I need a definition.

**Mr. Kotter** · 12-01-2004, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfI

correction:

"teh asshat genious is retarted and a moran."

Correction:

"teh asshat ghey genious is a retarted moran and looser."

memyselfI · 12-01-2004, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDChiefsfan

Correction:

"teh asshat ghey genious is a retarted moran and looser."

that is blatter emptying funny!!!

(CP spelling of bladder)

Pants · 12-01-2004, 10:18 AM

Retarted occured once in one of my posts, it was a TYPO. As I understand it, a word has to be used on multiple occasions to be included in the CP Lexicon.

nmt1 · 12-01-2004, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Retarted occured once in one of my posts, it was a TYPO. As I understand it, a word has to be used on multiple occasions to be included in the CP Lexicon.

"Retart" has occured here before.

12-01-2004, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Some of the nicest guys I know have big heads.

Thanks, bro. I appreciate that.

**Dartgod** · 12-01-2004, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Retarted occured once in one of my posts, it was a TYPO. As I understand it, a word has to be used on multiple occasions to be included in the CP Lexicon.

True. But you're not the only one to do it.

12-01-2004, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmt1

Will that $4.7 million go to waste? No. The Chiefs have already used up some of that total by extending the contract of center Casey Wiegmann.

Which is why it is no longer $6 Million under the cap, but $4.7. I don't know where he heard $8 and $10 Mill because it wasn't at ChiefsPlanet.

Quote:

Some of that total will be eaten up by incentive bonuses that players earn in 2004.

What a terrible shame. How can any player possibly reach any incentive on one of the league's worst teams? IMO, a player should be docked 10% for every game under .500 the team falls.

Quote:

With what’s left over, they will structure incentive bonuses for players that will not be earned this year. Those monies will then be carried over into the 2005 salary cap as credits.

Wait a minute. Gretz is pulling the wool over our eyes here. I know the cap is confusing and all, but everything I've ever heard and read (and I've done a LOT of independent research on the salary cap) indicates that the cap is use it or lose it. There is a benefit to using incentives, but Gretz is implying that the Chiefs can carry over the entire $4,700,000 in the form of credits which simply isn't true.

Quote:

The fact is the Chiefs have spent more than the salary cap this year on personnel. When you factor in signing bonuses and so forth, they’ve spent $86 million on players. When you are talking about cash and cap, the Chiefs are over the number.

Spin, spin, spin, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
The Chiefs are actually $4,700,000 under the cap, but they're actually over it, too. Come on - this bullshit might fool some people, and it might get you a 4 year stay in the white house, but seriously.....

KCTitus · 12-01-2004, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

Which is why it is no longer $6 Million under the cap, but $4.7. I don't know where he heard $8 and $10 Mill because it wasn't at ChiefsPlanet.

Turn the search feature on for 10 minutes...

HC_Chief · 12-01-2004, 10:35 AM

Quote:

With what’s left over, they will structure incentive bonuses for players that will not be earned this year. Those monies will then be carried over into the 2005 salary cap as credits.

WTF is he babbling about here? We take free cap space this year, apply the amount to bonuses to be earned next year, and those monies are subtracted as credits? That makes no sense.

**Mr. Kotter** · 12-01-2004, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Some of the nicest guys I know have big heads.

What about those of us with two big heads?

KCTitus · 12-01-2004, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HC_Chief

WTF is he babbling about here? We take free cap space this year, apply the amount to bonuses to be earned next year, and those monies are subtracted as credits? That makes no sense.

It's the incentive clause in the CBA that someone posted about how Philly uses it but KC didnt.

12-01-2004, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Turn the search feature on for 10 minutes...

Oh, well I'll defer to you on that. I haven't read 8 or 10 here. Certainly not from any credible poster. If I had, I'd have offered a correction.

12-01-2004, 06:35 AM
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends Of course we all know that Gretz is just a shill for the organization but I found this column interesting. GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends Dec 01, 2004, 6:01:28 AM by Bob Gretz It’s only natural given the Chiefs position at the bottom of the AFC West standings that the blame game is being heavily played by the fans and media. Expectations were high; production has been low, so off with their heads! This always leads to a gestation process that creates great urban legends surrounding the Chiefs. Several of these have been bounced around lately by the tin-horn voices that control the sports talk airwaves, in this case both the hosts and the callers. Sometimes they get help from national media types who have 15 seconds to report something that requires two minutes to put into perspective. Stand back and sometimes you can see these snippets of rumor and information go from a fire the size of a match, to that of a blazing inferno, complete with cover-ups, payoffs and black helicopters patrolling the area around Arrowhead Stadium. For instance: ITEM: CBS-TV cameras caught Priest Holmes munching on nachos in a private box during the game with the Chargers. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #1: Holmes no longer cares about the team or his teammates and has already packed it in for the 2004 season. REALITY: Believe me, if Holmes was done for the season, he would be back home in San Antonio with his children and family; he wouldn’t be hanging at Arrowhead eating those nasty stadium nachos. That Holmes watched the Chargers game from a box and was not on the sidelines is nothing new. He did the same thing in the New England game, and in fact, ABC cameras showed him there. He wasn’t eating nachos, so apparently that’s what raises the ire of some fans. Holmes has always done this. Back in the 2003 pre-season when he was being handled gingerly after his hip injury and surgery, he would take his few plays in the first quarter and then disappear into the locker room. Again nothing was made of it then. Holmes has not quit on his team or this season. ITEM: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days before their Monday night game with New England. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #2: The Chiefs locker room is a powder key ready to explode with teammates fighting each other. REALITY: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days leading up to their Monday night game in Baltimore. This received little or no attention outside of Arrowhead Stadium. Inside the team, the activity was actually welcomed by some of the coaches and players. The Chiefs were 0-3 at the time and needed to raise their intensity level. It paid off with a nice victory over the Ravens, one of the few high marks of the season. The fights that came down the week before the New England game involved defensive backs and wide receivers. The scout team DBs had been told by a member of the Chiefs offensive coaching staff to be physical with the wide receivers coming off the line of scrimmage because that’s what they would face against the Patriots. So the DBs did what they were told, several receivers objected and there was plenty of pushing and shoving. Folks it happens all the time on the practice field. If it doesn’t, then the coaching staff better start worrying about the intensity level of the team. For this to be reported on a national TV pre-game show, as it was on the Fox network, is a joke. ITEM: The Chiefs are, pick one: (1.) $6 million (2.) $8 million, or (3.) $10 million under the NFL salary cap this year. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #3: This is proof positive that all Lamar Hunt and Carl Peterson are worried about is the bottom line and they are hurting the football team by not using all of the cap money in 2004. REALITY: As of early this week, the Chiefs were approximately $4.7 million under the league salary cap figure of $80.5 million. Last year at this time, they were $5.2 million under the cap. Funny, but nobody complained at this time last year when they were 10-1. Their current state is not unusual; there are a lot of NFL teams in the same position. Will that $4.7 million go to waste? No. The Chiefs have already used up some of that total by extending the contract of center Casey Wiegmann. Some of that total will be eaten up by incentive bonuses that players earn in 2004. With what’s left over, they will structure incentive bonuses for players that will not be earned this year. Those monies will then be carried over into the 2005 salary cap as credits. The fact is the Chiefs have spent more than the salary cap this year on personnel. When you factor in signing bonuses and so forth, they’ve spent $86 million on players. When you are talking about cash and cap, the Chiefs are over the number. Sooner or later, Chiefs fans need to understand that when it comes to making the cap work, their team is one of the best in the league. Now, who that money is spent on, is certainly open for criticism and questioning. ITEM: Former Chiefs linebacker Donnie Edwards ends former team’s hopes with late-game interception. URBAN CHIEFS LEGED #4: Edwards is playing for the Chargers because the Chiefs didn’t want to pay him big money. REALITY: The only reason Edwards is not wearing a Chiefs uniform today is a guy named Greg Robinson. The fact is the Chiefs were quite confident they could sign Edwards to a new deal at a financial number that was good for him and the team. Edwards didn’t want to leave and just about everyone around Arrowhead did not want to lose him. Robinson was the exception. He felt Edwards’ play did not conform to his defensive system and style during the 2001 season. The defensive coordinator did not want him, and against the better judgment of many people inside Arrowhead, Edwards was allowed to walk away. Funny thing, but the Chiefs spent more money in 2003 signing free agent LB Shawn Barber, than it would have taken to keep Edwards. Now, Edwards is the defensive leader of the division leading Chargers, Barber is on IR for the rest of the year with a knee injury and Robinson is getting ready for a bowl game with the Texas Longhorns. Source
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