Chiefs Broncos confirm Chiefs had formula to reach Super Bowl - Page 4

**BigRedChief** · 01-27-2016, 12:29 PM

Broncos confirm Chiefs had formula to reach Super Bowl

One week after being eliminated from the postseason, Kansas City Chiefs fans are learning more about where their team must improve to get to the Super Bowl next season.

In an outcome not many expected, the Denver Broncos (cringing writing this) downed the New England Patriots 20-18 which has allowed them to advance to their eighth Super Bowl.

Just a week before the Patriots loss many were gushing over how great this offense was in New England. Not many gave the Broncos much of a chance after watching them have so much success against Kansas City. We rationed with reasoning based on stats like the Broncos being ranked in the 20s in scoring and the Patriots being third. We thought about Manning’s playoff history and his age becoming factor.

What we didn’t consider was how truly great the Broncos defense is. Denver was able to smother New England with its coverage and pass rush unlike what the Chiefs had hoped to do in their previous matchup with the Patriots.

The Broncos actually ran a simulation in real time of what Kansas City’s game plan would look like if it was executed. Peyton Manning wasn’t spectacular but emulated an Alex Smith like approach to running the offense and taking care of the ball. That along with playing outstanding defense sacking Tom Brady four times and forcing two interceptions was enough to get to the Super Bowl. This leaves Chiefs fans feeling like they had the winning recipe but were derailed by injuries.

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DJ's left nut · 01-27-2016, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Forget about the defense's inability to get to Brady, Maclin and Ware change this game dramatically.

Let's not.

The defense's inability to get to Brady is what made that game as close as it was.

Don't let injuries give Sutton a pass. His gameplan was shit and it cost us a Super Bowl appearance. Football's a game of attrition and your job is to win with what you have.

We had enough to win but we had a coach with his head up his ass. So now the Broncos are holding the Hunt Trophy....again....while we sit at home for yet another Super Bowl that we had a golden opportunity to play in.

Mr. Laz · 01-27-2016, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I wouldn't consider Sutton weak, nor would I consider him to be special, either. He has a shit ton of talent on that side of the ball, even with an injured Houston.

And let's be honest: Talent on the defensive side of the ball is far greater than the talent on the offensive side of the ball.

Sutton couldn't come up with a basic scheme that any college DC would. His scheme failed to show that he even thought Edelman was worth consideration.

He is a dumbass or incompetent

His failure to properly adjust in a timely fashion has cost us many,many times already since he arrived here.

both coordinator positions are below average for us

ChiefsCountry · 01-27-2016, 01:32 PM

Patriots had a better record, scored more points, have the better coach, have the better QB, and beat us.

I think they are the better team than us. Not hard to admit.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-27-2016, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Let's not.

The defense's inability to get to Brady is what made that game as close as it was.

Don't let injuries give Sutton a pass. His gameplan was shit and it cost us a Super Bowl appearance. Football's a game of attrition and your job is to win with what you have.

We had enough to win but we had a coach with his head up his ass. So now the Broncos are holding the Hunt Trophy....again....while we sit at home for yet another Super Bowl that we had a golden opportunity to play in.

Let me re-phrase that: Let's put aside Sutton's inability to get to the QB and disrupt passing lanes.

With a healthy Maclin and Ware, it's my opinion that it would have been a footnote to victory

Mr. Laz · 01-27-2016, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

4 pressures and 2 hits because Brady averaged 2.2 seconds between snap/release on his throws. And the 2.2 seconds was inflated by 2 plays where he scrambled around a bit; take those 2 passes away and he was below 2 seconds in average release time.

The Chiefs lost because they played a soft zone that allowed Brady to hit his first read every. single. time.

Maybe they'd have still won with a healthy Ware and Maclin, but they'd have won without those two guys had Sutton done his !@#$ing job to the level of an accomplished high school coordinator.

This x1000

DJ's left nut · 01-27-2016, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Let me re-phrase that: Let's put aside Sutton's inability to get to the QB and disrupt passing lanes.

With a healthy Maclin and Ware, it's my opinion that it would have been a footnote to victory

It's a fair point - a healthy Maclin and Ware may have been able to overcome Sutton's glaringly deficient gameplan.

But you can't control health. You can control the gameplan.

That's why I'm not going to blame a fickle twist of fate for the loss (i.e. the injuries); there was active incompetence that was more damning.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-27-2016, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Patriots had a better record, scored more points, have the better coach, have the better QB, and beat us.

I think they are the better team than us. Not hard to admit.

The cracks in Belichick's armor are starting to appear as Brady struggled with injuries to the offense.

He made several blunders this season that cost the Patriots home field advantage, whether it was the Jets game, Dolphins game or the failure to kick FG's on Sunday, which led directly to the Patriots loss.

Mr. Laz · 01-27-2016, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Let me re-phrase that: Let's put aside Sutton's inability to get to the QB and disrupt passing lanes.

With a healthy Maclin and Ware, it's my opinion that it would have been a footnote to victory

You can't put that aside ... ever.

Sutton could adjust his 1st season here and it cost us huge almost the ENTIRE season.

year 2 he adjusted and did good

year 3 he got some better corners and he went back to his year 1 scheme

but .... when push comes to shove he is a liability for his because his schemes are very basic and he's slow as hell to adjust.

Andy Reid will not fire Sutton or himself as OC ... so from now on we must factor in weak coaching for this team. It's pretty depressing.

OC - limited
DC - limited
QB - limited

The very backbone of any NFL team and we are limited.

This team is going to be skiing uphill every ****ing year from jump.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-27-2016, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's a fair point - a healthy Maclin and Ware may have been able to overcome Sutton's glaringly deficient gameplan.

But you can't control health. You can control the gameplan.

That's why I'm not going to blame a fickle twist of fate for the loss (i.e. the injuries); there was active incompetence that was more damning.

Unfortunately, this seems to be the norm with Sutton: He gets outcoached by elite offensive minds and QB's.

And it's not likely to change.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-27-2016, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

You can't put that aside ... ever.

I disagree. Ultimately, it's the players on the field that win or lose games, regardless of scheme.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

OC - limited
DC - limited
QB - limited

The very backbone of any NFL team and we are limited.

This team is going to be skiing uphill every ****ing year from jump.

And yet the Chiefs went 12-6, without their best offensive player, and are 32-19 since Reid and Dorsey's arrival.

I think they take another step forward in 2016.

Mr. Laz · 01-27-2016, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unfortunately, this seems to be the norm with Sutton: He gets outcoached by elite offensive minds and QB's.

And it's not likely to change.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I disagree. Ultimately, it's the players on the field that win or lose games, regardless of scheme.

And yet the Chiefs went 12-6, without their best offensive player, and are 32-19 since Reid and Dorsey's arrival.

I think they take another step forward in 2016.

one minute you agree and the next you go back to making excuses.

whatever

It's a waste a time trying to discuss something with someone who generally being disingenuous about the topic.

Mile High Mania · 01-27-2016, 01:56 PM

I still think KC would serve themselves well on offense to sign a big veteran TE that can create mismatches for the others, as well as providing exactly what works best with Alex and the style of offense they want to run.

Charles is at the point that you may need to part ways... you don't need him, obviously. You need a few guys back there to shoulder the load, but if you had a legit 2-TE set with Maclin ... that's what you need and I think that's the kind of ball that Reid wants to play.

I'd hate it, but KC should try to draft the TE from Arkansas.

DJ's left nut · 01-27-2016, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I disagree. Ultimately, it's the players on the field that win or lose games, regardless of scheme.

This isn't baseball. It isn't even basketball.

Players matter but they absolutely have to be put in a position to succeed and we've seen time and time again in this league what a big difference basic competency from your coaching staff can have on outcomes.

I honestly believe an upgrade from overmatched to merely competent can make a 6 game difference in the standings. You can take a 2 win team with a bad coach, change little to nothing on the personnel side and if you install a good coach, you can get a .500 football team for your efforts.

Now let me be clear - I don't generally put Sutton in the overmatched category, but he's not dynamic by any means. Getting from incompetent to competent can make you a playoff team but it's looking more and more like you need coordinators that are legitimately good to excel once you get there.

I've seen Sutton fail to adjust too many times to include him in that tier. I don't believe he's generally a liability (though he certainly was against the Pats), but I'm starting to question if he's good enough to be in charge of the premier unit on this squad. I question if he's good enough to take a defense-first team to a championship.

DJ's left nut · 01-27-2016, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I still think KC would serve themselves well on offense to sign a big veteran TE that can create mismatches for the others, as well as providing exactly what works best with Alex and the style of offense they want to run.

Charles is at the point that you may need to part ways... you don't need him, obviously. You need a few guys back there to shoulder the load, but if you had a legit 2-TE set with Maclin ... that's what you need and I think that's the kind of ball that Reid wants to play.

I'd hate it, but KC should try to draft the TE from Arkansas.

Both Harris and Shags have the ability to play a complementary role in a 2 TE set.

Now if you could get Aaron Hernandez (minus the murders) as the #2 TE, sure, you'd have to consider it. I just think that's a lot easier said than done. More often than not you'll end up with Ebron, Amaro or Pettigrew for your troubles.

I'm not willing to use a first or second round pick on that. The risk is higher than the reward, IMO.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-27-2016, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

one minute you agree and the next you go back to making excuses.

It's not a ****ing excuse, Laz, it's a fact: The Chiefs were without their #1 WR and their #1 RB (or #2, if you want to call West the #1).

REGARDLESS of Sutton's inability to disrupt Brady and the WR's, their presence would have changed the game dramatically.

WE ALL KNOW HOW MUCH YOU HATE SUTTON.

JFC.

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