Chiefs Russ Lande says Chiefs should "stick to their board" - Page 4

htismaqe · 08:03 AM

Geno Smith has all the tangibles - arm strength, accuracy, athleticism - and has a solid football IQ. He has poor mechanics and footwork. He's super raw and won't be ready to start right away, even in the shotgun NFL. Probably not worth a top 5 pick.

He sees Barkley are the flip side of the same coin - VERY polished, NFL-ready, but tangibles are average. Higher floor, lower ceiling. Would typically be a mid-1st guy (15-20).

He thinks Pioli is going to go with another late-rounder like Stanzi. And he hasn't once said he thinks that's the WRONG idea.

Woodchuck · 11-06-2012, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Their stock is only going to go up they are quarterbacks. Quarterbacks are prestige they are the guys that make or break a football program. RGIII stock was down this time of year then his stock sky rocketed before the draft. These guys stock is going to fluctuate up untill the draft then teams are going be players and make their stock go up just for their position and value. Not worried about their stock at the moment they still got games to play and the combine yet.

Generally, quarterbacks are taken 10 picks to one round earlier than they graded out because of their position.

I see what you are saying but I'm not sure this year. These guys are all really overrated imo and the worst may be yet to come. If you really look at what they have done in the big picture it is not much.

Reerun_KC · 11-06-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee

Perhaps we should wait to see who the coach is for next season and what type of offense his OC wants to run and then choose the QB we will take in the 1st round?

Just saying...

True...

We need in no particular order

New GM
New HC
New OC and staff
New DC and staff
New QB
New WR's
New CB's
New Owner
New Cheerleaders
New Beer Vendors
New Parking Attendants
New Grass in the Stadium

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-06-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You couldn't tell?

Only took what 5 minutes to out him?

Rasputin · 11-06-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Barkley, Wilson, Bray, Smith....

You cant go wrong with any of these 4. You take one and move forward. Stop masturbating to the 90's and wake the **** up...

This. No excuse to do anything else than take a first rounder QB with our first pick.

Reerun_KC · 11-06-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Generally, quarterbacks are taken 10 picks to one round earlier than they graded out because of their position.

I see what you are saying but I'm not sure this year. These guys are all really overrated imo and the worst may be yet to come. If you really look at what they have done in the big picture it is not much.

Thankfully we dont value your opinion....

Rasputin · 11-06-2012, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Generally, quarterbacks are taken 10 picks to one round earlier than they graded out because of their position.

I see what you are saying but I'm not sure this year. These guys are all really overrated imo and the worst may be yet to come. If you really look at what they have done in the big picture it is not much.

I DON'T GIVE A ****. DRAFT A QUARTERBACK WITH OUR FIRST PICK. GOD DAMN. LOOK WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE BIG PICTURE = FAIL

**RealSNR** · 11-06-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Generally, quarterbacks are taken 10 picks to one round earlier than they graded out because of their position.

I see what you are saying but I'm not sure this year. These guys are all really overrated imo and the worst may be yet to come. If you really look at what they have done in the big picture it is not much.

God ****ing damn it.

We went on this merry-go-round last year.

If you hit on a QB, then your team basically fixes itself. We're not the Indianapolis Colts. We don't need Jarvis Jones or any of these other slapdicks once we find the right QB. We're good to go RIGHT NOW.

That means don't **** around with trading up or down. ****ing grab your guy and go.

Woodchuck · 11-06-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's why we're competing with them for the #1 pick in the draft.

What part about a first round QB having a 30% chance of making it do you not understand? We may have to do this multiple times. This is a year where there isn't much difference in the top QBs.

Cleveland should be the model for what we are trying to do. If this one doesn't work out, we keep drafting them. When Cleveland drafted their QBs, the pickings were slim and not very different from what 2013 looks like.

What Cleveland did was smart. What about Cincinnatti? Were they dumb?

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-06-2012, 08:21 AM

Following Cleveland as a model is not something that brings confidence. If they didn't like those guys enough to take them with their 1st pick, they shouldn't have taken them at all. They could have used resources to secure RG3 for ****'s sake.

**RealSNR** · 11-06-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

What part about a first round QB having a 30% chance of making it do you not understand? We may have to do this multiple times. This is a year where there isn't much difference in the top QBs.

Cleveland should be the model for what we are trying to do. If this one doesn't work out, we keep drafting them. When Cleveland drafted their QBs, the pickings were slim and not very different from what 2013 looks like.

What Cleveland did was smart. What about Cincinnatti? Were they dumb?

When they drafted Carson Palmer you mean?

No, that was absolutely the right pick.

Woodchuck · 11-06-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Following Cleveland as a model is not something that brings confidence.

Like Cleveland, we are going to have to play the hand we are dealt and that's whole point.

Deberg_1990 · 11-06-2012, 08:22 AM

Barkley sounds alot like another Matt Ryan. NFL ready, average tangibles. Not real sexy or exciting because he doesnt make plays with his feet or have the canon arm, so it doesnt excite alot of fans.

MIAdragon · 11-06-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Take the best player on the board with the first pick. Then use the third or trade aplayer to get back into the first and take a QB. That would be the smart thing to do imo.

It is November and look at how these QBs are being talked about. Their stock will only go down guys. The damage is done.

htismaqe · 11-06-2012, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

What part about a first round QB having a 30% chance of making it do you not understand? We may have to do this multiple times. This is a year where there isn't much difference in the top QBs.

Cleveland should be the model for what we are trying to do. If this one doesn't work out, we keep drafting them. When Cleveland drafted their QBs, the pickings were slim and not very different from what 2013 looks like.

What Cleveland did was smart. What about Cincinnatti? Were they dumb?

Just shut up already. Cincinatti drafted Andy Dalton AFTER they tried Carson Palmer, Akili Smith, etc. For them, drafting Dalton WAS the change-up.

Throwing out Cleveland as an example of the way you would do it just makes you look stupid. Stop.

htismaqe · 11-06-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Like Cleveland, we are going to have to play the hand we are dealt and that's whole point.

The hand we are dealt is going to be the #1 overall pick. If we don't take a QB, were the dumbest franchise in NFL history.

11-06-2012, 07:43 AM
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3644454	Barkley sounds alot like another Matt Ryan. NFL ready, average tangibles. Not real sexy or exciting because he doesnt make plays with his feet or have the canon arm, so it doesnt excite alot of fans. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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