Raiders back in 1st Round - Page 4

HolmeZz · 04-20-2005, 06:04 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=2042190

Raiders have traded TE Doug Jolley and a 2nd rounder to the Jets for their 1st rounder.

**HemiEd** · 04-20-2005, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think the Jets must have an infant as their GM.

Is this referred to as a "tripple post?" Ha Ha

Spicy McHaggis · 04-20-2005, 08:58 PM

I did my calculations...And by the "Doug Jolley Value Chart" I've discovered we could have the Jets 1st Round Pick for the next 13 years for Tony G.

If the Jets were that freaking desperate for a pass catching TE, why not draft Miller in the first or Alex Smith in the second or Everett in an even later round? Wow the Jets got the shaft on this one.

Logical · 04-20-2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

... I do not think Al Davis could suck the stains out of Carl Petersons shorts.

My, my get help immediately, Davis runs circles around Carl as GM, his problem is he won't just let his Coaches coach.

TEX · 04-20-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

My, my get help immediately, Davis runs circles around Carl as GM, his problem is he won't just let his Coaches coach.

EXACTLY! Davis is ALWAYS trying to improve his team by ANY method he can. Look at this off season, last, and any other. He NEVER stands pat. His main problem is he thinks he's a coach. I HATE the guy, but he does have guts.

**Rain Man** · 04-20-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

I did my calculations...And by the "Doug Jolley Value Chart" I've discovered we could have the Jets 1st Round Pick for the next 13 years for Tony G.

If the Jets were that freaking desperate for a pass catching TE, why not draft Miller in the first or Alex Smith in the second or Everett in an even later round? Wow the Jets got the shaft on this one.

I agree. I think the Jets have a mid-term fetus for a GM.

Deberg_1990 · 04-20-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

My, my get help immediately, Davis runs circles around Carl as GM, his problem is he won't just let his Coaches coach.

Exactly, i hate the guy but hes a visionary, NEVER stands pat and has Huge Balls to take chances that other teams would never dare.

ChiefsCountry · 04-20-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I agree. I think the Jets have a mid-term fetus for a GM.

Well he did learn from King Carl.

Hoover · 04-20-2005, 10:16 PM

So I want to make sure I got this right, Carl is a better GM than the Jets GM, but nowhere near Al Davis or the Rat. Correct?

I think these trades help us get Surtain for a 4th round pick, and also increase the value of one of our safties. If Doug Jolley is worth that, Wesley should bw worth atleast the same to a team in need of a young Saftie.

HolmeZz · 04-20-2005, 10:21 PM

We're not getting Surtain for just a 4th.

HipHopper4Life · 04-20-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

I think these trades help us get Surtain for a 4th round pick, and also increase the value of one of our safties. If Doug Jolley is worth that, Wesley should bw worth atleast the same to a team in need of a young Saftie.

Using this logic, Miami could turn around and tell us "If Phil Buchanon is worth a 2 an a 3, then Surtain should be worth more than that".

ChiefsCountry · 04-21-2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

We're not getting Surtain for just a 4th.

4th and 3rd next and maybe a 5th this year or a player. I still think the Dolphins will go for it, they need picks bad.

TEX · 04-21-2005, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

4th and 3rd next and maybe a 5th this year or a player. I still think the Dolphins will go for it, they need picks bad.

Not if the Cards, or anyone for that matter,trades a 2nd this year. Shoot, this year's draft is weak anyway so I don't understand why Carl covets the 2nd rounder.

keg in kc · 04-21-2005, 12:28 AM

A 3rd next year is the equivalent of a 4th this year. That won't cut it.

I wouldn't call this draft weak, either. JMO, but I think it's weak in terms of blue chip high first type picks, but I think there's a ton of players who'd fall into the late first to second round range in any draft. There will be some very good players going in the second, third and fourth. Especially at positions we need.

TEX · 04-21-2005, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

A 3rd next year is the equivalent of a 4th this year. That won't cut it.

I wouldn't call this draft weak, either. JMO, but I think it's weak in terms of blue chip high first type picks, but I think there's a ton of players who'd fall into the late first to second round range in any draft. There will be some very good players going in the second, third and fourth. Especially at positions we need.

Yeah, I know. But I'd be willing to bet that the one we draft in the 2nd will not be better than Surtain.

keg in kc · 04-21-2005, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Yeah, I know. But I'd be willing to bet that the one we draft in the 2nd will not be better than Surtain.

I said this earlier on some other thread, I don't remember which one, but I don't think it's a matter of either or. We want to have our cake and eat it to, not Surtain vs. a 2nd round pick, but rather Surtain AND that 2nd round pick. And I have absolutely no problem with that, right up until the night before the draft. Why would we not try to do as much as we can to retain that pick, work a deal for compensation next year? Say, for instance, the idea is to get Surtain via a trade, Carlos Rogers at 15 (won't be there I think, but hypothetically) and then a top DE or LB in the second, who, this year I think, will be a pretty high value. We're looking for immediate impact, remember, and regardless of our history, the more higher picks we have, the better shot we have.

I would work this deal to the last possible moment. Especially since we're still the only team involved (I don't buy the 'zona rumor yet).

Maybe in the end we cave, but we damn well ought to be trying to get the best value we can.

JMO of course. I've got no problem with the way this has gone. We haven't lost Surtain to anyone. Yet. If that happens, well...

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Spicy McHaggis Keep 'er Movin' Join Date: Sep 2004 Casino cash: $9905359	I did my calculations...And by the "Doug Jolley Value Chart" I've discovered we could have the Jets 1st Round Pick for the next 13 years for Tony G. If the Jets were that freaking desperate for a pass catching TE, why not draft Miller in the first or Alex Smith in the second or Everett in an even later round? Wow the Jets got the shaft on this one. __________________ “We want players who are big, strong, smart, fast, tough and disciplined,” Pioli said, finally bringing an end to the era of Chiefs executives who searched desperately for players who are small, weak, stupid, slow, fragile and unruly.
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Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1418179	So I want to make sure I got this right, Carl is a better GM than the Jets GM, but nowhere near Al Davis or the Rat. Correct? I think these trades help us get Surtain for a 4th round pick, and also increase the value of one of our safties. If Doug Jolley is worth that, Wesley should bw worth atleast the same to a team in need of a young Saftie.
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HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	We're not getting Surtain for just a 4th.
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04-21-2005, 12:28 AM	#58
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	A 3rd next year is the equivalent of a 4th this year. That won't cut it. I wouldn't call this draft weak, either. JMO, but I think it's weak in terms of blue chip high first type picks, but I think there's a ton of players who'd fall into the late first to second round range in any draft. There will be some very good players going in the second, third and fourth. Especially at positions we need.
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