Time For Pena to Go???

[petegz28]

Lack of fundamentals and terrible in-game managment of pitchers has cost us probably 50% if not more of our losses.

The latest....Pena pulls a hot Sisco after he gets thr first out to put in Burgos with empty bases during a 1-1 game in the 9th. We lost 2-1

[Coach]

Well...at least take this for a good sign. At least we don't have Ozzie Guillen. This sounds pretty serious between these two. Portion of the story from the Chicago Tribune.

He's a piece of [bleep]," Guillen told Sox beat writers after learning of Ordonez's contempt for Guillen and alleging his manager steered him away from the Sox and to Detroit.

"He's a [bleep], that's what he is," Guillen continued. "He's another Venezuelan [bleep]. [Bleep] him.

"He has an enemy. Now he has a big one. He knows I can [bleep] him a lot of different ways. He better shut the [bleep] up and play for the Detroit Tigers."

In a five-minute interview a member of the Tigers staff halted, Ordonez expressed his frustration over his latest injury but was blunter in discussing the lack of a relationship he had with Guillen from the time they briefly played together with the Sox at the end of the 1997 season.

"We never clicked, even when we played together," Ordonez said. "I don't consider him my friend. I have nothing to say. I don't want to see him or talk to him. He's my enemy.

"If he comes to me and wants to apologize, I wouldn't accept it."

Ordonez said later he didn't have a problem with Sox general manager Ken Williams and insisted it was Guillen who got involved with the Sox's decision not to re-sign him.

"I don't talk bad about people when people are hurt," said Ordonez, who is on the disabled list and will be examined Monday in Philadelphia by a hernia specialist. "I'm very straightforward. There are a lot of people who try to push you down and do the opposite and not try to help you."

Guillen became furious at any suggestion that he should apologize to Ordonez.

"Why do I have to apologize to him?" Guillen responded while sitting in his office chair and tapping his right foot frequently. "Who the [bleep] is Magglio Ordonez? Why ever talk about me? He doesn't do [bleep] for me. But if he thinks I'm his enemy, he has a big enemy. He knows me.

[Abba-Dabba]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

No whining. Just the facts.

Does affirmative action grant "preferences" to "protected classes," or not? Simple question: yes or no?

IMO, no. I have never been passed over because of my race, or fired either. And I have never been party to someone being passed over because of their race, or their firing. I have never seen someone hired or their retention because of their race.

Maybe in your 1800's colored world that might be the case. In nmine and 99% of everyone elses it isn't.

Now, I have question for you. Do white males on average recieve higher pay than their female and minority counterparts? Simple question: yes or no?

[beavis]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I know you're being sarcastic, but there's got to be a middle ground. Glass is CHEAP. He's getting somewhere between $50M and $55M from the league for revenue sharing, etc. That's BEFORE any type of gate or stadium revenue.

In other words, he's pocketing some of the shared money, because the payroll is only $38M. The other owners are starting to get pissed. Don't be surprised if there's a salary minimum in the next CBA.

Actually, Baird has hinted at that money being accumulated to sign players like Greinke, Affeldt, Hernandez, etc. to long term contracts when the time comes.

But the notion that he bought this baseball team because it's a cash cow is stupid at best.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by beavis

Actually, Baird has hinted at that money being accumulated to sign players like Greinke, Affeldt, Hernandez, etc. to long term contracts when the time comes.

But the notion that he bought this baseball team because it's a cash cow is stupid at best.

No one said he bought it because it was a cash cow. But you sure in the hell aren't going to make any money by putting out teams that lost 100+ games year after year. And the only way you aren't going to lost 100+ year after year is to spend a little coin on some decent players.

[keg in kc]

Spent 51 million last year. Still lost 100+.

What we need to do is play through the allstar break, trade Sweeney for some prospects who can actually hit (clearing some serious $$$ for an everyday player next year), trade Brian Anderson for whatever we can get and then spend money on guys not named "Eli Marrero" "Tony Graffanino" and "Emil Brown" next offseason.

[SCTrojan]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Spent 51 million last year. Still lost 100+.

What we need to do is play through the allstar break, trade Sweeney for some prospects who can actually hit (clearing some serious $$$ for an everyday player next year), trade Brian Anderson for whatever we can get and then spend money on guys not named "Eli Marrero" "Tony Graffanino" and "Emil Brown" next offseason.

Agree with most of your post. But I think a big chunk of the difference between last year and this was Beltran's salary - about $9 mil. The rest was tied up in Darrel May, Desi Relaford, Benito Santiago, etc. I don't think we paid Juan Gone that much, but don't know for sure.

They've tried to get experienced players on the cheap - like Marrero, Brown, Graffanino, etc. Long seems like he has done okay, though. Anderson will go before the trading deadline, hopefully we can get some prospects for him.

I think you and I have talked about this before. The difference between 2.5 mil Marrero and 5-6 mil whoever is huge. If you're going to spend money on a veteran who's going to take playing time away from a prospect, then at least pay to get someone who will be productive.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Lack of fundamentals and terrible in-game managment of pitchers has cost us probably 50% if not more of our losses.

The latest....Pena pulls a hot Sisco after he gets thr first out to put in Burgos with empty bases during a 1-1 game in the 9th. We lost 2-1

Yes he's a joke...

Dave

[Eleazar]

Good lord this crap gets so old. If the Royals were one or two players away then Glass said he would sign them. They tried to do it last year when it appeared that we might be one or two players away. But there's no point in dumping $20 million more into a team that is a turd to begin with. Glass didn't get rich by being so stupid he would spend $20 million more to win 10 more games.

People also don't understand that because the Yankees are paying someone 10 million per year doesn't mean we could have had them for 10 million. It just means that if we had bid 10 they would have bid 11, and so on, until we were out of the running. No one outbids teams like NY for players they want. We may succeed in driving up the price but we would still not get a player that NY or Boston et al decided they wanted.

Pena might do things I don't like but he proved he could win with a reasonable level of talent in 2003. and God himself could not manage this lineup to a winning record. You can't win by getting 4 hits every night.

Baseball is effed up and will remain effed up until there is a salary cap. Until then, smaller markets will continue to be over a barrel. Yes I follow the team, I go to more games than any of you haters do I'm sure, but I realize the way baseball works and that we're currently hoping at best to have a winning season, maybe to get a wild card and host a couple of playoff games, until the game gets fixed.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by Saggysack

IMO, no. I have never been passed over because of my race, or fired either. And I have never been party to someone being passed over because of their race, or their firing. I have never seen someone hired or their retention because of their race.

Maybe in your 1800's colored world that might be the case. In nmine and 99% of everyone elses it isn't.

Now, I have question for you. Do white males on average recieve higher pay than their female and minority counterparts? Simple question: yes or no?

I have seen it; though I haven't personally experienced it yet...

As to your question, yes. And that is disgraceful too.