My early take on this game ...... - Page 4

ROYC75 · 09-11-2005, 02:37 PM

Pass D sucks ........ Yes, we lost Surtaim, we lost Sims. But we can't continue to blitz as much to get pressure. It leaves us vularable to the slant, short passes.

The Jets killed themselves more than we created turnovers.

Offense was solid, but the injury to Roaf tell us how much we need him.

ST's let one big return come thru the middle of the seam.........

We did enough to win, but we must grow from the negatives.

**the Talking Can** · 09-11-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

There's no getting around it...STOP BITCHING.

We saw a GREAT DEFENSE today, especially against the run...

amen

and with our starting DT and both starting CBs....of course we "need to get better"...that goes without saying....

after 3 years of crapulous defense, today was a joy....pure joy

we we smart, fast, and hard hitting...and we'll get better...Bell, for example, will get a lot better..DJ will naturally get better (scary, huh?), and Surtain will eventually line up next to Warfield...

Hammock Parties · 09-11-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

There's going to also be plays where priest gets 20 yards where LJ gets stuffed. There's also going to be plays were priest catches the ball for a 10 yard gain where johnson gets hit in the head with the ball.

good point

I think maybe it's best if we all stop bitching about who is better. I was very pleased to see Al get LJ the ball after worrying about it this offseason. They are obviously committed to it.

Hammock Parties · 09-11-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Surtain will eventually line up next to Warfield...

AND THE TURNOVERS WILL FLOW LIKE WINE!!!!!!!!11

Demonpenz · 09-11-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

good point

I think maybe it's best if we all stop bitching about who is better. I was very pleased to see Al get LJ the ball after worrying about it this offseason. They are obviously committed to it.

I know just because i have been debating it myself they are just two different kinds of backs. I think priest has lost a step but don't put him out to pasture just yet.

oldandslow · 09-11-2005, 07:24 PM

What I saw today was a defense that stuffed the run, got all over the QB, had outstanding LB play, and were weak at the corners after Surtain's injury.

On offense - Priest + LJ = 198 yds and 3 tds. Man was that pretty.

I WAS/AM PUMPED.

I hoped to win today, but if anyone had said 27-7 I would have thought they were high.

Now I hope everyone gets well soon.

ROYC75 · 09-11-2005, 08:36 PM

Without a doubt, it will get better once Warfield is back. I like Sapp as a nickle back.

I seen alot of the 3-4 today as well, that gets more speed on the field when Fox goes in.

Again, I liked the run D, I see holes on the pass D. I see we need to tighten up ST's and get dipshit ( Tynes ) straighten out.

The injuries are disturbing with Oakland and Denver coming up on the road.

Man, it's great to have winning football again

penchief · 09-12-2005, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

There's going to also be plays where priest gets 20 yards where LJ gets stuffed. There's also going to be plays were priest catches the ball for a 10 yard gain where johnson gets hit in the head with the ball.

Priest is getting stuffed a lot more than LJ.

Johnson would have taken Priest's 35 yard run to the house.

LJ's TD run would have been a score from anywhere on the field. Once it becomes a foot race to the endzone, he's got what you call great game speed.

Johnson is also running over and through people. His second TD was very impressive. In fact, he looked good on every carry he had.

The pass that hit him in the helmet was a freaky play. Seems like Trent fired that thing pretty quick. Maybe LJ should have been ready for it but, all in all, Johnson has proven to be a good receiver out of the backfield.

LJ deserves more playing time.

tk13 · 09-12-2005, 12:57 AM

The thing I like most is that it appears by all accounts, at least so far through preseason and 1 regular season game, our run defense is legitimate. I think we had some good games defending the run last year, but at times teams probably didn't rack up that many rushing yards because they could have a field day through the air. We're still going to get beat deep, especially with the corners we have right now, but good front seven play can mask our corners well enough to win, I think.

If we can do that, and get leads like we got today, I think we are going to blitz a lot. That's what Gunther wants to do. We're going to blitz a lot anyway. We can get to Kerry Collins next week. That's going to be the best way to hold Moss in check I think, there's no way anybody in our secondary save Surtain can hang with him, and even he's not going to be perfect all the time against Moss, he's too good. We can put Collins on his back though, a lot, I think.

For some odd reason, I get the feeling even if we are missing a couple guys next week, we'll be alright. It'd be nice to get Kevin Sampson back next week though.

I'm really pleased with how the RB thing worked out. My thoughts all preseason were give Priest his 20-22 carries, use LJ as a good change of pace, don't over use him, it could turn LJ into an unbelievably deadly weapon. Not that LJ isn't going to be a good RB anyway, but I think you give him 10-12 carries keeping him "fresh" against a defense that's been chasing little Priest around, he could put up some sick, sick ypc numbers. It's like having a "special move" in a video game or something, you can't overuse it, but if you do it right it's unstoppable. Two superstar running backs, both of them fresh, both of them beating down a defense for 60 minutes. The inner Martyball in me is very strong this weekend.

**KcMizzou** · 09-12-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I'm really pleased with how the RB thing worked out. My thoughts all preseason were give Priest his 20-22 carries, use LJ as a good change of pace, don't over use him, it could turn LJ into an unbelievably deadly weapon. Not that LJ isn't going to be a good RB anyway, but I think you give him 10-12 carries keeping him "fresh" against a defense that's been chasing little Priest around, he could put up some sick, sick ypc numbers. It's like having a "special move" in a video game or something, you can't overuse it, but if you do it right it's unstoppable. Two superstar running backs, both of them fresh, both of them beating down a defense for 60 minutes. The inner Martyball in me is very strong this weekend.

I wanna see more LJ, simply because I'm a greedy bastard... but i suspect you might be right.

I just watched the game tape, and liked this quote by Phil Simms...

"Larry Johnson... he runs with a purpose, but it's like an "anger" almost. That's the best way to put it."

Indeed!

Gravedigger · 09-12-2005, 01:12 AM

Ya but roy pass yards mean diddly when compared to the score. Yeah it could use some work but we didnt give up a "big" play all day. Our defense will only continue to improve and I thought our defense would be good but seeing it in motion at arrowhead was a dream come true.

tk13 · 09-12-2005, 01:14 AM

I don't know, maybe if you give LJ 30 carries he'll go for 200 yards and that'll be that. I don't know, I just don't think any RB in the NFL could do that every week, as good as he is, he's not running for 3200 yards in a season. Mixing it up today we ran for almost 200 yards, so we're on pace for over 3000.

I like the idea of keeping both guys fresh though. I think we can be effective this way, keep both guys fresh, and pummel defenses. I can understand why everybody's chomping at the bit to see LJ more though. We'll see where it goes I guess.

Hammock Parties · 09-12-2005, 01:15 AM

I'm just waiting for LJ to fumble a game away. This place will come down like the collapse of the USSR.

**KcMizzou** · 09-12-2005, 01:16 AM

And maybe if LJ were "the man"... he'd lose a bit of that anger.

It's a fine line, I guess.

Whatever, as long as we're winning, I'm good.

penchief · 09-12-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

And maybe if LJ were "the man"... he'd lose a bit of that anger.

It's a fine line, I guess.

Whatever, as long as we're winning, I'm good.

I may be wrong but I don't think so. He's a coaches son, an incredible athlete, and fierce competitor. You don't rush for over 2000 yards in a college football season unless you have an ethic. He's a proud player and a physical freak. He's always acted like he has something to prove. I've never seen anything different and I don't suspect I ever will.

As I stated before, I think a lot of the talk about LJ playing better because he has a "fire," or is "angry," is justification not to give LJ the playing time he has proven he deserves. I agree with those who say that utilizing both players gives the chiefs a change of pace advantage. But Priest 2 to 1 over LJ is wrong. Their performance up to this point has shown that it should be the other way around. I think Priest should be the change of pace back. It's my opinion that Priest should be giving LJ a blow and not the other way around.

penchief · 09-12-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

I'm just waiting for LJ to fumble a game away. This place will come down like the collapse of the USSR.

Funny you should mention that. Has he fumbled yet?

09-11-2005, 02:37 PM
ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $5149400	My early take on this game ...... Pass D sucks ........ Yes, we lost Surtaim, we lost Sims. But we can't continue to blitz as much to get pressure. It leaves us vularable to the slant, short passes. The Jets killed themselves more than we created turnovers. Offense was solid, but the injury to Roaf tell us how much we need him. ST's let one big return come thru the middle of the seam......... We did enough to win, but we must grow from the negatives.
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09-11-2005, 07:24 PM	#50
oldandslow Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $5343149	What I saw today was a defense that stuffed the run, got all over the QB, had outstanding LB play, and were weak at the corners after Surtain's injury. On offense - Priest + LJ = 198 yds and 3 tds. Man was that pretty. I WAS/AM PUMPED. I hoped to win today, but if anyone had said 27-7 I would have thought they were high. Now I hope everyone gets well soon.
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09-11-2005, 08:36 PM	#51
ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $5149400	Without a doubt, it will get better once Warfield is back. I like Sapp as a nickle back. I seen alot of the 3-4 today as well, that gets more speed on the field when Fox goes in. Again, I liked the run D, I see holes on the pass D. I see we need to tighten up ST's and get dipshit ( Tynes ) straighten out. The injuries are disturbing with Oakland and Denver coming up on the road. Man, it's great to have winning football again __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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09-12-2005, 12:57 AM	#53
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1452500	The thing I like most is that it appears by all accounts, at least so far through preseason and 1 regular season game, our run defense is legitimate. I think we had some good games defending the run last year, but at times teams probably didn't rack up that many rushing yards because they could have a field day through the air. We're still going to get beat deep, especially with the corners we have right now, but good front seven play can mask our corners well enough to win, I think. If we can do that, and get leads like we got today, I think we are going to blitz a lot. That's what Gunther wants to do. We're going to blitz a lot anyway. We can get to Kerry Collins next week. That's going to be the best way to hold Moss in check I think, there's no way anybody in our secondary save Surtain can hang with him, and even he's not going to be perfect all the time against Moss, he's too good. We can put Collins on his back though, a lot, I think. For some odd reason, I get the feeling even if we are missing a couple guys next week, we'll be alright. It'd be nice to get Kevin Sampson back next week though. I'm really pleased with how the RB thing worked out. My thoughts all preseason were give Priest his 20-22 carries, use LJ as a good change of pace, don't over use him, it could turn LJ into an unbelievably deadly weapon. Not that LJ isn't going to be a good RB anyway, but I think you give him 10-12 carries keeping him "fresh" against a defense that's been chasing little Priest around, he could put up some sick, sick ypc numbers. It's like having a "special move" in a video game or something, you can't overuse it, but if you do it right it's unstoppable. Two superstar running backs, both of them fresh, both of them beating down a defense for 60 minutes. The inner Martyball in me is very strong this weekend.
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09-12-2005, 01:12 AM	#55
Gravedigger Plays to win the game! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $7113101	Ya but roy pass yards mean diddly when compared to the score. Yeah it could use some work but we didnt give up a "big" play all day. Our defense will only continue to improve and I thought our defense would be good but seeing it in motion at arrowhead was a dream come true.
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09-12-2005, 01:14 AM	#56
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1452500	I don't know, maybe if you give LJ 30 carries he'll go for 200 yards and that'll be that. I don't know, I just don't think any RB in the NFL could do that every week, as good as he is, he's not running for 3200 yards in a season. Mixing it up today we ran for almost 200 yards, so we're on pace for over 3000. I like the idea of keeping both guys fresh though. I think we can be effective this way, keep both guys fresh, and pummel defenses. I can understand why everybody's chomping at the bit to see LJ more though. We'll see where it goes I guess.
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09-12-2005, 01:15 AM	#57
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4160478	I'm just waiting for LJ to fumble a game away. This place will come down like the collapse of the USSR. __________________ Chiefs game films
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09-12-2005, 01:16 AM	#58
KcMizzou Supporter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Parkville MO Casino cash: $10005170	And maybe if LJ were "the man"... he'd lose a bit of that anger. It's a fine line, I guess. Whatever, as long as we're winning, I'm good.
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