You can't give LJ just 9 carries game! LJ can rush for 2000 yards, Priest can't! - Page 4

chiefsfan1963 · 09-12-2005, 02:14 PM

Priest 22 carries, 85 yds
LJ 9 carries, 110 yds

You have to wonder what would happen if LJ got the 22 carries going forward!

I'm sorry but you have to give the ball to LJ most of the time.

Wallcrawler · 09-12-2005, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

You guys believe having a 2000 yd rusher won't help us achieve our goal? We won't win more games, more playoff games?

Jamal Lewis rushed for 2000+ a couple years back. The Ravens lost in the first playoff game.

Having 2000+ yards on the ground doesnt guarantee a championship or a playoff win. Having the number one offense doesnt even guarantee that.

The running game should never be measured in yards, but whether or not it helped you win the football game.

Im not saying that Johnson is not a good back. I AM saying that Priest Holmes should not be sitting the bench.

Holmes is approaching the end of his run. The Chiefs have to use him or lose him. He doesnt have a lot of time left. The guy can still produce and help us win football games, therefore he should be on the field.

You dont squander the talents of Priest Holmes just to put a guy like Johnson, who has his entire career ahead of him in the game for more carries.

chiefsfan1963 · 09-12-2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Jamal Lewis rushed for 2000+ a couple years back. The Ravens lost in the first playoff game.

Having 2000+ yards on the ground doesnt guarantee a championship or a playoff win. Having the number one offense doesnt even guarantee that.

The running game should never be measured in yards, but whether or not it helped you win the football game.

Im not saying that Johnson is not a good back. I AM saying that Priest Holmes should not be sitting the bench.

Holmes is approaching the end of his run. The Chiefs have to use him or lose him. He doesnt have a lot of time left. The guy can still produce and help us win football games, therefore he should be on the field.

You dont squander the talents of Priest Holmes just to put a guy like Johnson, who has his entire career ahead of him in the game for more carries.

Not a fair comparison. Chiefs O has been the Top O in the league for the last 3 years, Raven's O have been the worst O in the league!

I'm not saying bench Priest just give LJ more carries!

I know this is a sensitive issue here, b/c people are making personal insults about me rather than sticking with the topic. Sorry guys.

tk13 · 09-12-2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

You guys believe having a 2000 yd rusher won't help us achieve our goal? We won't win more games, more playoff games?

I think combined, if used correctly, both of them can go for 2500+ yards. Granted the idea I like is a little unusual, but I think keeping them both fresh and using them both will be more effective than using just one guy and running him into the ground for 2000 yards.

It's hard to be a RB in this league, the last couple guys that have gone through 2000 yard seasons have gone downhill fast after doing so. Taking a beating every game is hard, and sure LJ is doing great now, but if you give any RB that many carries to get to 2000 yards you're just going to burn him out faster. LJ's never even been through a full season carrying the load. Use both RB's, keep them both fresh and beating down defenses. I think it'll help both of them in the long run.

chiefsfan1963 · 09-12-2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I think combined, if used correctly, both of them can go for 2500+ yards. Granted the idea I like is a little unusual, but I think keeping them both fresh and using them both will be more effective than using just one guy and running him into the ground for 2000 yards.

It's hard to be a RB in this league, the last couple guys that have gone through 2000 yard seasons have gone downhill fast after doing so. Taking a beating every game is hard, and sure LJ is doing great now, but if you give any RB that many carries to get to 2000 yards you're just going to burn him out faster. LJ's never even been through a full season carrying the load. Use both RB's, keep them both fresh and beating down defenses. I think it'll help both of them in the long run.

It's funny people are worried about burning LJ out with too many carries, where before LJ's rise no one had any problem giving Priest the ball 30 times a game. You guys are in total denial. Before Priest most here hated the RBBC style of play, now you guys are happy with it!

Wallcrawler · 09-12-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I think combined, if used correctly, both of them can go for 2500+ yards. Granted the idea I like is a little unusual, but I think keeping them both fresh and using them both will be more effective than using just one guy and running him into the ground for 2000 yards.

It's hard to be a RB in this league, the last couple guys that have gone through 2000 yard seasons have gone downhill fast after doing so. Taking a beating every game is hard, and sure LJ is doing great now, but if you give any RB that many carries to get to 2000 yards you're just going to burn him out faster. LJ's never even been through a full season carrying the load. Use both RB's, keep them both fresh and beating down defenses. I think it'll help both of them in the long run.

Exactly.

Just think of all the problems that the opposing D-Coordinator is going to have trying to gameplan for the Chiefs offense. It used to be just Priest. Now they have to gameplan for Johnson as well, on top of trying to stop Trent Green and the passing attack.

Going with one just to aim for a 2000 yard rushing season is ridiculous.

penchief · 09-12-2005, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Jamal Lewis rushed for 2000+ a couple years back. The Ravens lost in the first playoff game.

Having 2000+ yards on the ground doesnt guarantee a championship or a playoff win. Having the number one offense doesnt even guarantee that.

The running game should never be measured in yards, but whether or not it helped you win the football game.

Im not saying that Johnson is not a good back. I AM saying that Priest Holmes should not be sitting the bench.

Holmes is approaching the end of his run. The Chiefs have to use him or lose him. He doesnt have a lot of time left. The guy can still produce and help us win football games, therefore he should be on the field.

You dont squander the talents of Priest Holmes just to put a guy like Johnson, who has his entire career ahead of him in the game for more carries.

IMO, this is pretty much a silly point. Who's playing better? That's who should be playing.

We have a potent offense but no wide receivers that scare anybody. Generally wide receivers are your home run threats. If you can put a player in the backfield that strikes fear into the minds of the defense, you've got something special that allows you to do things with your receivers that you normally wouldn't be able to do.

Gonzo is the best tight end in the biz and Priest is an artist at RB. But....the only consistent home run threat we have is LJ. Putting him in the game more often is going to make our offense more potent.

LJ's dominance will make every player on our offense more effective. That is what special players do.

Wallcrawler · 09-12-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

It's funny people are worried about burning LJ out with too many carries, where before LJ's rise no one had any problem giving Priest the ball 30 times a game.

Right. And look what happened to Priest. Career threatening hip injury, played a full season, then another injury that cost him half the season. You have to learn from your mistakes. We have 2 great backs. They will split the time to decrease the beatings that they endure over the season.

You guys are in total denial. Before Priest most here hated the RBBC style of play, now you guys are happy with it!

Heh. Thats because our former RBBC consisted of Bam Morris, Tony Richardson, and Donnell Bennet.

Big difference there champ.

Big difference.

Wallcrawler · 09-12-2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by penchief

IMO, this is pretty much a silly point. Who's playing better? That's who should be playing.

Im saying you do what it takes to win the game, not just play someone for better stats. 22 for Priest and a TD and 9 for Johnson and 2 tds got the job done. Nothing to complain about.

We have a potent offense but no wide receivers that scare anybody. Generally wide receivers are your home run threats. If you can put a player in the backfield that strikes fear into the minds of the defense, you've got something special that allows you to do things with your receivers that you normally wouldn't be able to do.

Youre right. Priest never had any defensive coordinators worried with all the yards from scrimmage he consistently racked up game after game.....

Gonzo is the best tight end in the biz and Priest is an artist at RB. But....the only consistent home run threat we have is LJ. Putting him in the game more often is going to make our offense more potent.

This offense doesnt have to score in one play. As a matter of fact, in trying to get the defense better, it is actually beneficial that the offense hold onto the ball and have longer sustained drives to keep the opposing offense off the field. One play scores are nice, and exciting to watch, but not a requirement for this offense to dominate.

LJ's dominance will make every player on our offense more effective. That is what special players do.

In my view, Priest Holmes still has the ability to do that as well. He may not be a threat to go 97 yards at any given time, but he still makes plays. I guess this is just a situation where we have to agree to disagree.

chiefsfan1963 · 09-12-2005, 03:41 PM

Sorry guys this is football! players understand how tough it is in the pros. You don't keep good talent like LJ on the sidelines in order to prevent him from getting injured! He can get injured anytime anywhere! One carry, 60 carries! It can happen when you least expect it. In the mean time play the mother!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't waste the kinda of yards he can produce when he has the ball!!!!!! This is the prime of his life as player. Let him freakin run!!!!!!!!!!!!!

penchief · 09-12-2005, 03:44 PM

Wallcrawler,

IMO, you're totally missing the point.

And by the way, your style of quoting posts is confusing and gives me a headache.

Anyway, the point is that when you have a special player that has unusual talent capable of changing a game you try to utilize that dude for more than 10 touches a game. Period.

When you have a guy like that who strikes fear into opposing defenses you want that guy on the field to create uncertainty and chaos in the defense's mind. Not unlike what you do with an aggressive Gunther style defense.

Stats have nothing to do with it. Effectiveness has everything to do with it. When you have a dude that runs over people, through people, and leaves them in his dust.....you've got something. He's a weapon.

Just like when DV and Saunders underutilized him out of college, they're still doing it. Just because Priest is a class act doesn't mean he deserves more carries. If a team has a special weapon they'd be stupid not to utilize it to it's fullest effect.

chiefsfan1963 · 09-12-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by penchief

IMO, you're totally missing the point.

And by the way, your style of quoting posts is confusing and gives me a headache.

Anyway, the point is that when you have a special player that has unusual talent capable of changing a game you try to utilize that dude for more than 10 touches a game. Period.

When you have a guy like that who strikes fear into opposing defenses you want that guy on the field to create uncertainty and chaos in the defense's mind. Not unlike what you do with an aggressive Gunther style defense.

Stats have nothing to do with it. Effectiveness has everything to do with it. When you have a dude that runs over people, through people, and leaves them in his dust.....you've got something. He's a weapon.

Just like when DV and Saunders underutilized him out of college, they're still doing it. Just because Priest is a class act doesn't mean he deserves more carries. If a team has a special weapon they'd be stupid not to utilize it to it's fullest effect.

we're in agreement: give LJ the freakin ball period, let Priest clean up.

Wallcrawler · 09-12-2005, 03:50 PM

So, in your opinion penchief, Priest Holmes is done then eh?

heh.

Thanks. I havent laughed like that in a long time.

Priest isnt getting carries, or the starting position simply because he's a "class act".

Priest is in there because of what he brings to the offense.

As for your headache, take some tylenol. Midol for the cramps.

WilliamTheIrish · 09-12-2005, 03:50 PM

63,

stfu. You've made your point. Lj will get the snaps as the season goes along.

Right now we have a one-two punch that the league is going to fear.

So, instead of worrying about 2k yard rushers, can you not enjoy the day?

Tuesday is the day everybody starts officially freaking out over next week's game.

Calcountry · 09-12-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

LJ has the ability to rush for 2000 yds this season! He's young and prime for this! It would be a shame not to give LJ the opportunity!

Think baseball for a minute. I know its hard, because all you have in KC is football, but in baseball, you don't want to wear out your ACE pitchers arm early in the season, so you limit them to about 100 pitches per outing. This preserves them for the stretch run. Then you go out and use them for everything they have, 120 plus pitches if they are on their game, for they have all off season to rest.

Now, we have 2 stud backs. Why not let one back the other up? The only thing that stops it is their egos. Its not like QB where the timeing, cadence, rythem are all affected by who's in.

Check your egos at the door boys, its the Chiefs that matter, and what is best for the Chiefs right now, is that we go 2 strong down the stretch, and then go with the best pony at the end. Period.

Neither will be as banged up, and neither will be as tired if the share the reps.

Opposing teams will be tired.

chiefsfan1963 · 09-12-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

63,

stfu. You've made your point. Lj will get the snaps as the season goes along.

Right now we have a one-two punch that the league is going to fear.

So, instead of worrying about 2k yard rushers, can you not enjoy the day?

Tuesday is the day everybody starts officially freaking out over next week's game.

Okay, I'll be quiet.

09-12-2005, 02:14 PM
chiefsfan1963 Veteran Join Date: Oct 2001 Casino cash: $10005060	You can't give LJ just 9 carries game! Priest 22 carries, 85 yds LJ 9 carries, 110 yds You have to wonder what would happen if LJ got the 22 carries going forward! I'm sorry but you have to give the ball to LJ most of the time.
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09-12-2005, 03:41 PM	#54
chiefsfan1963 Veteran Join Date: Oct 2001 Casino cash: $10005060	Sorry guys this is football! players understand how tough it is in the pros. You don't keep good talent like LJ on the sidelines in order to prevent him from getting injured! He can get injured anytime anywhere! One carry, 60 carries! It can happen when you least expect it. In the mean time play the mother!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't waste the kinda of yards he can produce when he has the ball!!!!!! This is the prime of his life as player. Let him freakin run!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09-12-2005, 03:44 PM	#55
penchief MVP Join Date: Feb 2003 Casino cash: $6315286	Wallcrawler, IMO, you're totally missing the point. And by the way, your style of quoting posts is confusing and gives me a headache. Anyway, the point is that when you have a special player that has unusual talent capable of changing a game you try to utilize that dude for more than 10 touches a game. Period. When you have a guy like that who strikes fear into opposing defenses you want that guy on the field to create uncertainty and chaos in the defense's mind. Not unlike what you do with an aggressive Gunther style defense. Stats have nothing to do with it. Effectiveness has everything to do with it. When you have a dude that runs over people, through people, and leaves them in his dust.....you've got something. He's a weapon. Just like when DV and Saunders underutilized him out of college, they're still doing it. Just because Priest is a class act doesn't mean he deserves more carries. If a team has a special weapon they'd be stupid not to utilize it to it's fullest effect.
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09-12-2005, 03:50 PM	#57
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $4162912	So, in your opinion penchief, Priest Holmes is done then eh? heh. Thanks. I havent laughed like that in a long time. Priest isnt getting carries, or the starting position simply because he's a "class act". Priest is in there because of what he brings to the offense. As for your headache, take some tylenol. Midol for the cramps. __________________ She did not open her eyes this morning. I don't know what else to say.
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09-12-2005, 03:50 PM	#58
WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $5610607	63, stfu. You've made your point. Lj will get the snaps as the season goes along. Right now we have a one-two punch that the league is going to fear. So, instead of worrying about 2k yard rushers, can you not enjoy the day? Tuesday is the day everybody starts officially freaking out over next week's game.
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