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Old 01-05-2006, 11:56 PM  
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Cuba Paid Oswald to Kill Kennedy, New Film Says

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Cuba Paid Oswald to Kill Kennedy, New Film Says

By Mark Trevelyan, Reuters

BERLIN (Jan. 4) - Cuba lay behind the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Lee Harvey Oswald and its agents provided the gunman with money and support, an award-winning German director says in a new documentary film.

Wilfried Huismann spent three years researching "Rendezvous with Death," based on interviews with former Cuban secret agents, U.S. officials and a Russian intelligence source, and on research in Mexican security archives.

The film, shown to journalists in Berlin on Wednesday, says Oswald traveled to Mexico City by bus in September 1963, seven weeks before the Kennedy shooting, and met agents at the Cuban embassy there who paid him $6,500.

Oscar Marino, a former Cuban agent and a key source for the documentary, told Huismann that Oswald himself had volunteered for the assassination mission and Havana had exploited him.

"Oswald was a dissident. He hated his country...Oswald offered to kill Kennedy," Marino said in the film.

"He was so full of hate, he had the idea. We used him...He was a tool."


He said he knew with certainty that the assassination was an operation of the Cuban secret service G-2, but would not say if it was ordered by President Fidel Castro.

Oswald was shot dead by Jack Ruby two days after killing Kennedy in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.

The film argues Cuba wanted to eliminate Kennedy as the chief enemy of its Communist revolution, and portrays him and Castro as dueling opponents each trying to assassinate the other first.

Former CIA official Sam Halpern told Huismann: "He (Castro) beat us. He bested us. He came out on top, and we lost."

FBI PROBE ABORTED

Laurence Keenan, an officer of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) who was sent to Mexico City immediately after Kennedy's death to investigate a possible Cuban connection, said he was recalled after just three days and the probe was aborted.

"This was perhaps the worst investigation the FBI was ever involved in," Keenan said. "I realized that I was used. I felt ashamed. We missed a moment in history."

Keenan, 81, said he was convinced Kennedy's successor, Lyndon Johnson, blocked further investigation because proof of a Cuban link would put him under irresistible pressure to invade the island, a year after the Cuban missile crisis had brought the United States and Soviet Union to the brink of nuclear war.

"Most likely there would have been an invasion of Cuba which could have had unknown consequences for the whole world," he told journalists at the screening, saying that was why Johnson preferred to accept Oswald was "a crazed lone Marxist assassin."

Interviewed for the film, Alexander Haig, then a U.S. military adviser and later secretary of state, quoted Johnson as saying "we simply must not allow the American people to believe that Fidel Castro could have killed our president."

"And the reason was that there would be a right-wing uprising in America, which would keep the Democratic party out of power for two generations," Haig said.


He added that Robert F. Kennedy, brother of the assassinated president and attorney general in his administration, had personally ordered eight attempts on the life of Castro, who is still in power to this day.

Cuban and Russian sources interviewed in the film say the KGB alerted the Cubans to Oswald in mid-1962 after he left the Soviet Union, where he had lived for three years, and returned to the United States with his Soviet wife and their daughter.

Cuban intelligence first made contact with Oswald in November 1962, according to the film.

Huismann also unearthed a U.S. intelligence report shown to Johnson which said Cuban secret service chief Fabian Escalante flew via Mexico City to Dallas on the day of Kennedy's assassination, and back again the same day.

Tracked down by the film maker, Escalante denied he had been in Dallas and evaded questions about Cuba's alleged role. "What is truth, what are lies?" he said, smiling.


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Old 07-08-2013, 06:56 PM   #46
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I believe the immaculate bullet theory, myself. Mary hated John.
It wasn't immaculate. The conspiracy folks only show one of the pictures of it, where it doesn't look deformed.
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It wasn't immaculate. The conspiracy folks only show one of the pictures of it, where it doesn't look deformed.
While I think the angle is correct and plausible, the truly odd thing is the shape of the recovered bullet. Iirc, it went through Connelly's bones and typically, bullets tend to warp upon contact.
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While I think the angle is correct and plausible, the truly odd thing is the shape of the recovered bullet. Iirc, it went through Connelly's bones and typically, bullets tend to warp upon contact.


Throw in the fact that it matches Oswald's rifle perfectly for good measure.
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It wasn't immaculate. The conspiracy folks only show one of the pictures of it, where it doesn't look deformed.
No shit. Its a straight line. No magic bullet theory needed.
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Throw in the fact that it matches Oswald's rifle perfectly for good measure.
Interesting.
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Before you leap to new conclusions about Oswald, I would suggest taking a read of Dr. Mary's Monkey. One of the best researched accounts on the topic I have read in a while with some interesting conclusions about what Oswald was up to.

http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Marys-Monke.../dp/0977795306
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Throw in the fact that it matches Oswald's rifle perfectly for good measure.
Isn't that second photo of the back end of the bullet? Why in the world would the business end of the bullet still look pristine after going through several bones but the back end be warped? That photo begs more questions than it supplies answers.
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Isn't that second photo of the back end of the bullet? Why in the world would the business end of the bullet still look pristine after going through several bones but the back end be warped? That photo begs more questions than it supplies answers.
Yes, it is. Tests have been performed using the same ammunition, rifle and bullet travel through anatomically-similar material and the results (minimal deformation) occurred.
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Yes, it is. Tests have been performed using the same ammunition, rifle and bullet travel through anatomically-similar material and the results (minimal deformation) occurred.
I admittedly haven't researched this topic much. Who conducted these tests? I'd be interested in looking at their published results.
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I admittedly haven't researched this topic much. Who conducted these tests? I'd be interested in looking at their published results.
If memory serves, it was the same Discovery Channel episode shown above. And, the WC performed similar tests with the same results.
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If they kill a president? That's not an act of war?
We spent a decade on the precipice of full-on nuclear annihilation. An invasion of Cuba would have been tantamount to the full-scale slaughter of millions in the name of avenging a single death.

President or not, the key to the success of American democracy is the fact that the President is still just a man. He's not bigger than the Constitution and he's not the product of divine providence. He's just a cog in much grander machine.

The difference between hawks and doves is that the hawks actually have a clue as to when force is proper and are willing to use it to serve a legitimate end. The doves simply need the proper meaningless symbolism to get behind it. The fact that you'd have guaranteed the death of hundreds of thousands of American citizens on some poorly thought out vendetta drive further demonstrates that fact.
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