Are you concerned about Global climate change? - Page 4

Fat Elvis · 04-13-2006, 11:15 PM

I was in the doctor's office today and I was reading a Time magazine article that talked about the catastrophic effects of global warming on our environment. Usually, I'm just, "eh, whatever...," but today for some reason that article really resonated with me.

It seems that the impact and fallout from global warming is accelerating at a pace that was completely unforseen, and that certain feedback loops are really amplifying the effects on the climate. It was shocking to see some of the before and after pics of glaciers and ice shelves.

It seems like the world that my kids will inherit may be very different from the world that I grew up in.....

JBucc · 04-14-2006, 07:13 AM

Hog Rider · 04-14-2006, 07:18 AM

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220

Interesting thoughts by Dr Lindzen of MIT one of the IPCC participants.

jiveturkey · 04-14-2006, 08:01 AM

So what is the argument against cutting back on CO2?

Even if you take the climate issue out of the debate there still isn't good a reason to not reduce emissions.

And whether man is causing the climate to change or not still doesn't change the fact that it's changing. We can argue for 100 years over this point and the climates is going to continue changing regardless of who wins that argument. Feel free to bring up the economic implications if you'd like but if hurricanes increase in intensity, tornadic activity increases and drought hits the farm belt then your argument will have to be used against you.

Not believing it doesn't make it go away.

Simplex3 · 04-14-2006, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jiveturkey

So what is the argument against cutting back on CO2?

Even if you take the climate issue out of the debate there still isn't good a reason to not reduce emissions.

And whether man is causing the climate to change or not still doesn't change the fact that it's changing. We can argue for 100 years over this point and the climates is going to continue changing regardless of who wins that argument. Feel free to bring up the economic implications if you'd like but if hurricanes increase in intensity, tornadic activity increases and drought hits the farm belt then your argument will have to be used against you.

Not believing it doesn't make it go away.

I don't hear people saying "ignore the problem". What I hear is let's not bankrupt ourselves over fossile fuel emmission control when there is very little hard data supporting that being the cause of the change. If you exhaust all of your resources lowering human CO2 emmission only to find out that wasn't the issue, then what?

You want to put your money into something? How about heat and draught resistant crop research? How about people either a) not living in a hurricane zone or b) building houses that withstand those storms in areas where those storms are likely to occur.

Let's talk Hurricanes specifically for a second. The biggest reason hurricanes kill is stupidity. In the last 50 years not one single person in this country has been snuck up on by a hurricane.

jiveturkey · 04-14-2006, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

Let's talk Hurricanes specifically for a second. The biggest reason hurricanes kill is stupidity. In the last 50 years not one single person in this country has been snuck up on by a hurricane.

Very true.

HC_Chief · 04-14-2006, 08:19 AM

Climates change. Temperatures fluctuate. Plates shift. Volcanoes erupt. Tides wax/wane. Wind blows. Sun shines. Grass grows. It's called NATURE.

Am I concerned? No.

**Baby Lee** · 04-14-2006, 08:28 AM

I find it interesting the interplay between stances on Evolution and Global Warming.

HC_Chief · 04-14-2006, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I find it interesting the interplay between stances on Evolution and Global Warming.

They are one & the same.

Evolution is due to climate fluctuations. Nature is cyclical; that's the "nature" of the universe: entropy.

**Baby Lee** · 04-14-2006, 08:36 AM

But I am REALLY interested in the interplay between these two quotes.

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Originally Posted by Taco John

I don't know if Man has anything to do with it or not. I do know people I trust who are smarter about this kind of stuff than I am are concerned about the trends that they're seeing, and the science that they're reading.

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Also, I don't hate people who over-reacted to Iraq. I was one of them whipped into a frenzy based on propaganda and fabrications.

HC_Chief · 04-14-2006, 08:39 AM

lol

I lost interest in TJ's inane ramblings long before CP

**Iowanian** · 04-14-2006, 08:40 AM

Throughout the ages, the Earth has undergone a series of dramatic Climatic changes. Without a series of cooling and warming periods, the Ice Ages, would have just been an "ice age" that never went away. Iowa used to be under an ocean, deserts used to be rainforest......
Climatic changes are historicallyl cyclical and its just nature.

I think the Earth may be slowly warming, and I don't think it has anything to do with man. I don't see it as anything to fear.

If Man wants to fear something....fear pollution, and desertification due to clearcutting erodible and non fertile soils in South America and Africa.

T@co is a nutjob who always thinks the sky is falling on every situation on the planet. I think he needs to refrain from putting the plastic bag on his head when he's punchin the clown.

JBucc · 04-14-2006, 08:43 AM

Besides the beaches will just be a little closer...

**Bugeater** · 04-14-2006, 08:47 AM

More babes, less clothes.

'Nuff said.

jiveturkey · 04-14-2006, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

I think the Earth may be slowly warming, and I don't think it has anything to do with man. I don't see it as anything to fear.

Do you know what the "likely" result is from a warming planet?

MOhillbilly · 04-14-2006, 08:51 AM

all i know is ive prayed for rain for weeks and months and nothing yet.

04-13-2006, 11:15 PM
Fat Elvis Sexiest Athlete Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $1021925	Are you concerned about Global climate change? I was in the doctor's office today and I was reading a Time magazine article that talked about the catastrophic effects of global warming on our environment. Usually, I'm just, "eh, whatever...," but today for some reason that article really resonated with me. It seems that the impact and fallout from global warming is accelerating at a pace that was completely unforseen, and that certain feedback loops are really amplifying the effects on the climate. It was shocking to see some of the before and after pics of glaciers and ice shelves. It seems like the world that my kids will inherit may be very different from the world that I grew up in.....
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04-14-2006, 08:01 AM	#48
jiveturkey Captain Kick Ass Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $9305197	So what is the argument against cutting back on CO2? Even if you take the climate issue out of the debate there still isn't good a reason to not reduce emissions. And whether man is causing the climate to change or not still doesn't change the fact that it's changing. We can argue for 100 years over this point and the climates is going to continue changing regardless of who wins that argument. Feel free to bring up the economic implications if you'd like but if hurricanes increase in intensity, tornadic activity increases and drought hits the farm belt then your argument will have to be used against you. Not believing it doesn't make it go away.
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04-14-2006, 08:19 AM	#51
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	Climates change. Temperatures fluctuate. Plates shift. Volcanoes erupt. Tides wax/wane. Wind blows. Sun shines. Grass grows. It's called NATURE. Am I concerned? No. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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04-14-2006, 08:39 AM	#55
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	lol I lost interest in TJ's inane ramblings long before CP __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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04-14-2006, 08:40 AM	#56
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4608454	Throughout the ages, the Earth has undergone a series of dramatic Climatic changes. Without a series of cooling and warming periods, the Ice Ages, would have just been an "ice age" that never went away. Iowa used to be under an ocean, deserts used to be rainforest...... Climatic changes are historicallyl cyclical and its just nature. I think the Earth may be slowly warming, and I don't think it has anything to do with man. I don't see it as anything to fear. If Man wants to fear something....fear pollution, and desertification due to clearcutting erodible and non fertile soils in South America and Africa. T@co is a nutjob who always thinks the sky is falling on every situation on the planet. I think he needs to refrain from putting the plastic bag on his head when he's punchin the clown.
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04-14-2006, 08:43 AM	#57
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