AFC pro-bowl roster - Page 4

Joe Seahawk · 12-14-2000, 11:37 AM

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Packfan · 12-15-2000, 11:24 AM

Elvis didnt make the pro bowl for the following reasons:

1. Player voting took place after the New England debacle. Players were laughing at Elvis.

2. Chiefs lost five in a row. This didnt help because Elvis is supposed to be the leader of this team.

3. Greise plays hurt. Elvis does not. Fans, players, coaches see this. Sportcenter shows high lights of the injured Greise making plays. They also show lowlights like Elvis five yard pass against NE.

4. Elvis isnt on high light films. He is a boring pocket passer who gets alot of his numbers in garbage time (against prevent defenses)

The most important part here is the fact that he is the QB on a losing team. If the Chiefs were 9-5, Elvis gets in. But that would have required him to play against San Diego with a bruised pinky, show up for the Raider game in Oakland, and take his head out of his crack against New England.

Pro bowls are ONE of the measures of an NFL player. Regardless of how flawed the system is.

Gaz · 12-15-2000, 11:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>1. Player voting took place after the New England debacle. Players were laughing at Elvis.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nonsense.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>2. Chiefs lost five in a row. This didnt help because Elvis is supposed to be the leader of this team.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The Chiefs losing 5 in a row hurt his chances. The "leader" argument is nonsense.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>3. Greise plays hurt. Elvis does not. Fans, players, coaches see this. Sportcenter shows high lights of the injured Greise making plays. They also show lowlights like Elvis five yard pass against NE.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
More nonsense.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>4. Elvis isnt on high light films. He is a boring pocket passer who gets alot of his numbers in garbage time (against prevent defenses)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yep, still more nonsense.

Half of a legitimate point out of four.

Pretty good for Packfan.

xoxo~
gaz
pleased to see improvement in this area.

TEX · 12-15-2000, 11:34 AM

Packfan,
I agree with everything except #4. Grbac has tourched defenses in every situation this year. To say that he gets his numbers at "garbage time" simply is not accurate.

Packfan · 12-15-2000, 12:29 PM

Gaz,

Nonsense? You dont these factors affected the voting? Then you tell me why he didnt make the pro bowl.

Packfan · 12-15-2000, 12:32 PM

Tx Fan,

Grbac didnt torch the leagues worst defense, 49ers. The Chiefs were down 24-3 against Oakland before he put up numbers. They were losing 27-10 before he got the offense moving against NE.

**ChiTown** · 12-15-2000, 12:48 PM

PackFan

In a simple retort, here is why Grbac did not make the ProBowl roster:

[b]No Running Game[/b]

Manning - James
Griese - Anderson, Gary, TD
Gannon - Wheatley, Gannon, Kaufman

Anything else?

Spott · 12-15-2000, 12:49 PM

The Chiefs were never down 24-3 at Oakland. We were down 14-0, 14-7, 21-7, 28-7, 28-10, 35-10, 35-17, 35-24, 42-24, 42-31 & 49-31. Elvis had 221 yds passing in the 1st half & 283 in the second at Oakland.

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Gaz · 12-15-2000, 02:05 PM

Packfan-

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Players were laughing at Elvis.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As I said, nonsense. This doesn't even deserve discussion.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>This didnt help because Elvis is supposed to be the leader of this team.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
More nonsense. Grbac is the leader of this team whether you like him or not.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Sportcenter shows high lights of the injured Greise making plays. They also show lowlights like Elvis five yard pass against NE.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, Packfan, the Pro Bowl is decided by what clips Sportcenter shows…[can you say more nonsense?].

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> He is a boring pocket passer who gets alot of his numbers in garbage time (against prevent defenses)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wrong and nonsense.

Grbac was not picked because the teams on which Gannon, Griese and Manning play are winning. Grbac was not picked because the Chiefs suck right now.

xoxo~
gaz
wasting precious time.

Packfan · 12-15-2000, 03:10 PM

Gaz,

Thats all you can say, nonsense? As far as your reasons for Grbac not making it, how do you explain Jeff Garcia? He made it on a losing team.

I expected more out of you than "nonsense".

Logical · 12-15-2000, 06:20 PM

Garcia, also speaks to the stupidity of the process. Choosing Garcia over McNabb really just makes Gaz's point, as he was chosen because SF won more games than they were expected to win. The Chiefs performed worse than expected. Besides who really cares, if you put validity on the Pro Bowl Grbac is the likely replacement for Griese. Griese's numbers are excellent for the limited number of games he got them in, meanwhile Gannon makes it on teams winning record, and Manning makes it primarily on reputation and because he has had a satisfactory season (his team has not performed as expected either).

Packfan, as usual you just enjoy being the center of attention. Once again, like Denise you succeed, big deal.

12-15-2000, 07:16 PM

More selective response from Packfan. Didn't you see #51, Ken? Or were you too busy [b]chirping[/b] about incorrect scores. It would be nice if you'd get your facts straight once in a while....

The reasons nobody want to offer more of a response than "Nonsense" are:

#1. Your contentions could easily be summed up in one word, "Nonsense".
#2. If one takes the time to research and type a legitimate point (such as the one in #51) - you skip right over it as though you never saw it.

We're on to you, bunky!

Now, go home and call your lawyer. America is tired of frivolous lawsuits and we don't wanna here about your whiney son not being able to wear his Pack jersey anyway!

Gaz · 12-16-2000, 10:46 AM

Packfan-

Logical correctly answered your question concerning Garcia. The 49ers overachieved, the Chiefs underachieved. Garcia goes to the Pro Bowl, Grbac does not.

As far as “nonsense” is concerned, I am not going to waste time discussing foolish statements like “players were laughing at Elvis.” I will simply dismiss them as what they are. When you post a legitimate point, I will discuss it with you. Unfortunately, the nonsense points predominated your post, leaving very little to discuss.

xoxo~
gaz
taking on the legitimate points, ignoring the rest

Packfan · 12-16-2000, 12:27 PM

Gaz,

Everybody, except for Chief fans, expected the record the Chiefs currently have. Chief fans think the team is super bowl caliber every year. They havent overachieved or underachieved. I didnt see any pre-season publication talk of anything more than third place for the Chiefs. They are right where they should be. Like I said, I thought you could do better than just replying with "nonsense".

I gave you guys reasons I thought that Grbac didnt make it, again:

The New England Game. Elvis got negative publicity for his boneheaded moves right before the pro bowl ballots went out

Greise plays hurt. Elvis doesnt. Say what you want, but people admire NFL players that play with injury, especially QBs.

Five game losing streak: You guys say that Elvis had nothing to do with it. Yea, right. Seven points against SF?? Pussing out against San Diego?? The New England debacle?? Not matching point for point versus Oakland?? That four out of the five loses right there. Maybe the players werent laughing at Elvis after New England, but Dan Fouts and the guys from Sports center were. And I am sure Chief fans were shaking their heads so I bet there was some snickering for the players.

C'mon Gaz, you can give a better reply than "nonsense".

**morphius** · 12-16-2000, 12:33 PM

Packfan - Come back when you have your facts at least 51% correct. Griese plays hurt, Grbac has missed 1 game in 2 years, Griese how many?

Gaz · 12-17-2000, 09:19 AM

Packfan-

Your “points” in Reply #45 were and remain foolish nonsense. To your credit, you did start to back away from the “players are laughing at Elvis” nonsense, although you failed to redeem yourself by tossing out SportsCenter again.

We underachieved for the talent level on this team, losing to teams we clearly should have beaten [San Diego, San Francisco, New England]. That dismal performance is the reason Grbac did not make the Pro Bowl, despite his gaudy numbers.

Once again, when you post something that deserves discussion, I will discuss it with you. Your last post was simply the same foolish crap you put up before. When you stop spouting nonsense, I will stop calling it nonsense. You may expect better from me, but you are not giving me anything to work with.

xoxo~
gaz
waiting for some substance.

12-15-2000, 11:24 AM	#46
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Elvis didnt make the pro bowl for the following reasons: 1. Player voting took place after the New England debacle. Players were laughing at Elvis. 2. Chiefs lost five in a row. This didnt help because Elvis is supposed to be the leader of this team. 3. Greise plays hurt. Elvis does not. Fans, players, coaches see this. Sportcenter shows high lights of the injured Greise making plays. They also show lowlights like Elvis five yard pass against NE. 4. Elvis isnt on high light films. He is a boring pocket passer who gets alot of his numbers in garbage time (against prevent defenses) The most important part here is the fact that he is the QB on a losing team. If the Chiefs were 9-5, Elvis gets in. But that would have required him to play against San Diego with a bruised pinky, show up for the Raider game in Oakland, and take his head out of his crack against New England. Pro bowls are ONE of the measures of an NFL player. Regardless of how flawed the system is.
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12-15-2000, 11:31 AM	#47
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR>1. Player voting took place after the New England debacle. Players were laughing at Elvis.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Nonsense. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR>2. Chiefs lost five in a row. This didnt help because Elvis is supposed to be the leader of this team.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The Chiefs losing 5 in a row hurt his chances. The "leader" argument is nonsense. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR>3. Greise plays hurt. Elvis does not. Fans, players, coaches see this. Sportcenter shows high lights of the injured Greise making plays. They also show lowlights like Elvis five yard pass against NE.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> More nonsense. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR>4. Elvis isnt on high light films. He is a boring pocket passer who gets alot of his numbers in garbage time (against prevent defenses)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yep, still more nonsense. Half of a legitimate point out of four. Pretty good for Packfan. xoxo~ gaz pleased to see improvement in this area.<BR>
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12-15-2000, 11:34 AM	#48
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Casino cash: $1843127	Packfan, I agree with everything except #4. Grbac has tourched defenses in every situation this year. To say that he gets his numbers at "garbage time" simply is not accurate.
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12-15-2000, 12:29 PM	#49
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Gaz, Nonsense? You dont these factors affected the voting? Then you tell me why he didnt make the pro bowl.
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12-15-2000, 12:32 PM	#50
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Tx Fan, Grbac didnt torch the leagues worst defense, 49ers. The Chiefs were down 24-3 against Oakland before he put up numbers. They were losing 27-10 before he got the offense moving against NE.
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12-14-2000, 11:37 AM
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12-15-2000, 12:48 PM	#51
ChiTown Stroking to the SB Champs! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Flatlands of Kansas Casino cash: $2773962	PackFan In a simple retort, here is why Grbac did not make the ProBowl roster: [b]No Running Game[/b] Manning - James Griese - Anderson, Gary, TD Gannon - Wheatley, Gannon, Kaufman Anything else?
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12-15-2000, 12:49 PM	#52
Spott Court Jester Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Orlando Casino cash: $2532400	The Chiefs were never down 24-3 at Oakland. We were down 14-0, 14-7, 21-7, 28-7, 28-10, 35-10, 35-17, 35-24, 42-24, 42-31 & 49-31. Elvis had 221 yds passing in the 1st half & 283 in the second at Oakland. ------------------ It looks I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!
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12-15-2000, 02:05 PM	#53
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Packfan- <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR> Players were laughing at Elvis.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> As I said, nonsense. This doesn't even deserve discussion. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR>This didnt help because Elvis is supposed to be the leader of this team.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> More nonsense. Grbac is the leader of this team whether you like him or not. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR> Sportcenter shows high lights of the injured Greise making plays. They also show lowlights like Elvis five yard pass against NE.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, Packfan, the Pro Bowl is decided by what clips Sportcenter shows…[can you say more nonsense?]. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR> He is a boring pocket passer who gets alot of his numbers in garbage time (against prevent defenses)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Wrong and nonsense. Grbac was not picked because the teams on which Gannon, Griese and Manning play are winning. Grbac was not picked because the Chiefs suck right now. xoxo~ gaz wasting precious time.<BR>
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12-15-2000, 03:10 PM	#54
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Gaz, Thats all you can say, nonsense? As far as your reasons for Grbac not making it, how do you explain Jeff Garcia? He made it on a losing team. I expected more out of you than "nonsense".
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12-15-2000, 06:20 PM	#55
Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Garcia, also speaks to the stupidity of the process. Choosing Garcia over McNabb really just makes Gaz's point, as he was chosen because SF won more games than they were expected to win. The Chiefs performed worse than expected. Besides who really cares, if you put validity on the Pro Bowl Grbac is the likely replacement for Griese. Griese's numbers are excellent for the limited number of games he got them in, meanwhile Gannon makes it on teams winning record, and Manning makes it primarily on reputation and because he has had a satisfactory season (his team has not performed as expected either). Packfan, as usual you just enjoy being the center of attention. Once again, like Denise you succeed, big deal.
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12-15-2000, 07:16 PM	#56
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	More selective response from Packfan. Didn't you see #51, Ken? Or were you too busy [b]chirping[/b] about incorrect scores. It would be nice if you'd get your facts straight once in a while.... The reasons nobody want to offer more of a response than "Nonsense" are: #1. Your contentions could easily be summed up in one word, "Nonsense". #2. If one takes the time to research and type a legitimate point (such as the one in #51) - you skip right over it as though you never saw it. We're on to you, bunky! Now, go home and call your lawyer. America is tired of frivolous lawsuits and we don't wanna here about your whiney son not being able to wear his Pack jersey anyway!
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12-16-2000, 10:46 AM	#57
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Packfan- Logical correctly answered your question concerning Garcia. The 49ers overachieved, the Chiefs underachieved. Garcia goes to the Pro Bowl, Grbac does not. As far as “nonsense” is concerned, I am not going to waste time discussing foolish statements like “players were laughing at Elvis.” I will simply dismiss them as what they are. When you post a legitimate point, I will discuss it with you. Unfortunately, the nonsense points predominated your post, leaving very little to discuss. xoxo~ gaz taking on the legitimate points, ignoring the rest<BR>
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12-16-2000, 12:27 PM	#58
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Gaz, Everybody, except for Chief fans, expected the record the Chiefs currently have. Chief fans think the team is super bowl caliber every year. They havent overachieved or underachieved. I didnt see any pre-season publication talk of anything more than third place for the Chiefs. They are right where they should be. Like I said, I thought you could do better than just replying with "nonsense". I gave you guys reasons I thought that Grbac didnt make it, again: The New England Game. Elvis got negative publicity for his boneheaded moves right before the pro bowl ballots went out Greise plays hurt. Elvis doesnt. Say what you want, but people admire NFL players that play with injury, especially QBs. Five game losing streak: You guys say that Elvis had nothing to do with it. Yea, right. Seven points against SF?? Pussing out against San Diego?? The New England debacle?? Not matching point for point versus Oakland?? That four out of the five loses right there. Maybe the players werent laughing at Elvis after New England, but Dan Fouts and the guys from Sports center were. And I am sure Chief fans were shaking their heads so I bet there was some snickering for the players. C'mon Gaz, you can give a better reply than "nonsense".
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12-16-2000, 12:33 PM	#59
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6745027	Packfan - Come back when you have your facts at least 51% correct. Griese plays hurt, Grbac has missed 1 game in 2 years, Griese how many?
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12-17-2000, 09:19 AM	#60
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Packfan- Your “points” in Reply #45 were and remain foolish nonsense. To your credit, you did start to back away from the “players are laughing at Elvis” nonsense, although you failed to redeem yourself by tossing out SportsCenter again. We underachieved for the talent level on this team, losing to teams we clearly should have beaten [San Diego, San Francisco, New England]. That dismal performance is the reason Grbac did not make the Pro Bowl, despite his gaudy numbers. Once again, when you post something that deserves discussion, I will discuss it with you. Your last post was simply the same foolish crap you put up before. When you stop spouting nonsense, I will stop calling it nonsense. You may expect better from me, but you are not giving me anything to work with. xoxo~ gaz waiting for some substance.<BR>
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