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Old 09-10-2006, 06:02 PM  
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Green or no Green, the Chiefs just suck!!!
Too bad about Green, here's hoping he makes a full recovery.

That being said, the Chiefs just plain suck. Is there a player on offense besides Johnson who's under 40? The line is old and weak, the QB is a limp-wristed statute, the receivers have sucked for years, Gonzalez is past his prime, and it's looking like it's time to rebuild the offense around LJ.

The defense has sucked for years, and Law and Bell aren't going to solve the problem.

I think it's time for the Chiefs to rebuild around LJ and a defense that has some young talent. Time to stop spending money bringing in older players past their prime. Time to stop pretending they're a serious contender, and face the fact that it's time to build for the future.
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:25 PM   #46
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:25 PM   #47
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Yes. One bad game does not end the season. We have an improving defense, and an offense that can still score points. If Hall doesn't fumble, if we don't run up the middle on 3rd and 5 and make a TD instead of a FG, if Green hadn't been knocked out, this could have been a very diffferent game. There was nothing that can't be corrected. Mistakes and penalties were our biggest problem today.

When Green comes back and we start Sampson instead of Black, our offense will play better. Maybe not the same as the last few years, but still pretty good.

I never understand you doom and gloom types, the sky is always falling with you people. We have the potential to win the division this year, and you want to throw it all away to get better draft picks that may not even work out? Remember Sims? An early draft pick is no guarantee that they will be good.
I'm not really a doom and gloomer but honestly I thought last year was our last shot and we needed to start to think about getting younger and starting over........that was why I was a big advocate of taking Cromartie in the draft.
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:26 PM   #48
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:26 PM   #49
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You obviously don't hit on every pick but you shouldn't miss on a top 5 pick. The Chiefs missed on Sims cause Vermiel was a dumbass and listened to his pal John Bunting even I knew John Henderson was the better player.

Picking first also turned around the Bengals organization when they selected Carson Palmer.
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:28 PM   #50
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Even in that vein I think we need 1 clean slate year to get rid of all these bad contracts we have on the books right now. There's alot of money they could clear off the cap if they'd take the 1-2 year clean slate approach so they could atleast spend it on some productive players.

so, we'll see you in a couple of years too?
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:29 PM   #51
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You obviously don't hit on every pick but you shouldn't miss on a top 5 pick. The Chiefs missed on Sims cause Vermiel was a dumbass and listened to his pal John Bunting even I knew John Henderson was the better player.

Picking first also turned around the Bengals organization when they selected Carson Palmer.

Good coaching turned around the Bengals. Do you really think that you could just plug Palmer into any crappy team and they would suddenly be contenders? It doesn't work that way. Ask Pheonix and Detroit how drafting early has turned them into SB contenders....
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:29 PM   #52
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When Green comes back and we start Sampson instead of Black, our offense will play better.

By then we'll be 2-6.

If we're lucky...
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so, we'll see you in a couple of years too?
What's that suppose to mean? Like I'm a fairweather fan or some such?
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:30 PM   #54
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Good coaching turned around the Bengals. Do you really think that you could just plug Palmer into any crappy team and they would suddenly be contenders? It doesn't work that way. Ask Pheonix and Detroit how drafting early has turned them into SB contenders....
Arizona is also a team on the rise........Detroit has drafted like complete morons so that's their own fault.
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You obviously don't hit on every pick but you shouldn't miss on a top 5 pick. The Chiefs missed on Sims cause Vermiel was a dumbass and listened to his pal John Bunting even I knew John Henderson was the better player.

Picking first also turned around the Bengals organization when they selected Carson Palmer.

But how many years did picking first NOT turn around that team?

Picking top 5 is not the cure all you are making it out to be.
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But how many years did picking first NOT turn around that team?

Picking top 5 is not the cure all you are making it out to be.
I agree it's not the end all be all, but I think it is time to think about rebuilding.
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Jimmy Johnson and the Cowboys did smething amazing by raping everyone in the draft and creating a dynasty in Dallas.

But because of him it is impossible to get more than a draft pick is worth. Rebuilding is a risk just like drafting in the top ten is no sure thing. I'll take what we have in a heartbeat.
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Jimmy Johnson and the Cowboys did smething amazing by raping everyone in the draft and creating a dynasty in Dallas.

But because of him it is impossible to get more than a draft pick is worth. Rebuilding is a risk just like drafting in the top ten is no sure thing. I'll take what we have in a heartbeat.
Look at the age of the team......even if you don't want to call it rebuilding the Chiefs have a ton of guys that need to be replaced for age/generally sucking regardless.
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I agree it's not the end all be all, but I think it is time to think about rebuilding.


Fine, you don't have to lose to rebuild. That is where I part ways with the "lose for higher draft picks" crowd, especially after the first fucking game of the fucking season.

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You obviously don't hit on every pick but you shouldn't miss on a top 5 pick. The Chiefs missed on Sims cause Vermiel was a dumbass and listened to his pal John Bunting even I knew John Henderson was the better player.

Picking first also turned around the Bengals organization when they selected Carson Palmer.
Getting Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmanzadeh, Rudi Johnson, and Odell "Winstrol" Thurman in rounds 2, 7, 4, and 2 didn't hurt either. No one cares if you thought John Henderson was the better player, the only part that matters is that Vermeil made a decision based upon the input of a fucking moron who he only believed b/c he was close to him. Granted, people were still all over Sims' dick before the draft, so it's hard to single us out. The guy is a bust, just like Charles Rogers, who was lauded as a good pick 3 three years ago.
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