KU: Giles out for semester - Page 4

Mr. Laz · 11-03-2006, 07:11 PM

but apparently not gone for good ........... yet.

according to "38 sport spot" tv show.

ChiefaRoo · 11-07-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

I've said it once and I'll say it again, i'll take the likes of OJ Mayo for 1 year over ..say..PJ Couisanard for 4. You can't pass up talent like OJ, even if it is for only one year.

Now, I agree with you, he needs to be a team player, and do what the team needs him to do.

I wouldn't but I understand the temptation to do so. In fact, I hope storied programs keep on doing it as I believe it will damage them more than help them in most cases. I just think it takes more than one year to form a team.

**Saulbadguy** · 11-07-2006, 02:15 PM

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So is Walker and Mayo overrated?

Walker never had time to be a McD AA, IIRC.

**Saulbadguy** · 11-07-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

I wouldn't but I understand the temptation to do so. In fact, I hope storied programs keep on doing it as I believe it will damage them more than help them in most cases. I just think it takes more than one year to form a team.

It does - thats why you have to get the 3/4 star talent to form core of players that will stay all 4 years. But to have talent like Michael Beasley or OJ Mayo for one year is worth it.

**ChiTown** · 11-07-2006, 02:18 PM

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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/no...tery/?breaking

Kansas University basketball forward C.J. Giles was cited by police for battering a female KU student Monday night, days after he was reinstated to the team following a suspension for personal problems.

Obviously, this is typical Bob THUGGINS. I knew it was just a matter of time before....................oh, wait. This was KU? Nothing to see here. This was a Roy Williams recruit. Move along.............

**Lzen** · 11-07-2006, 02:20 PM

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I mean look how they played against Arizona last year early... it was a joke. They did improve but in the the end the talent (yong as it was) got it's butt kicked by a better "team".

Okay, this is just plain idiotic. KU was a very young team in the Arizona game. Because of the fact that they were very young, they didn't have the cohesion of an older and more experienced team like Arizona was. It wasn't due to KU throwing away players. It was due to guys graduating. Geez, get a clue.

ImuMamalukabubuday · 11-07-2006, 02:21 PM

The fact of the matter is that Wichita State would take any of these recruits as well...they just aren't ever in the running. Turgeon wouldn't pass up an opportunity to take anyone off of KU's roster. It's easy for you to say, in hindsight, but that's what make you an asshat, Chiefaroo. These guys are all young when they are being recruited, and they have a ton of maturing to do. Unfortunately, some never mature. It's a problem all over the country, but it's exemplified when it happens at one of the best programs in the nation. KU will move on from this and be just fine.

CoMoChief · 11-07-2006, 02:21 PM

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IMO a coach should recruit the best talent possible assuming that talent is going to be part of making a group of guys a "team" and stays in the program for continuity purposes. If a guy with monster talent comes in a says publicly he's only staying one or two years and then acts like the rest of the players ought to kiss his arse then the team never forms and they lose. Personally, I think this has been KU's biggest problem, not enough team cohesion. I mean look how they played against Arizona last year early... it was a joke. They did improve but in the the end the talent (young as it was) got it's butt kicked by a better "team".

Good lord they're ****ing freshman at the time playing half way across the world against a very good team in their first reg season game. KU gelled probably more so than any team in the nation. No one thought they would win as many games as they did last season. Beating KY at Rupp, winning both the conference title and tourney. Did you even watch college bball last season? Are you saying that Brandon Rush isn't a team player?

**Saulbadguy** · 11-07-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Good lord they're ****ing freshman at the time playing half way across the world against a very good team in their first reg season game. KU gelled probably more so than any team in the nation. No one thought they would win as many games as they did last season. Beating KY at Rupp, winning both the conference title and tourney. Did you even watch college bball last season? Are you saying that Brandon Rush isn't a team player?

They beat UK in Lawrence last year, FWIW.

ChiefaRoo · 11-07-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ImuMamalukabubuday

The fact of the matter is that Wichita State would take any of these recruits as well...they just aren't ever in the running. Turgeon wouldn't pass up an opportunity to take anyone off of KU's roster. It's easy for you to say, in hindsight, but that's what make you an asshat, Chiefaroo. These guys are all young when they are being recruited, and they have a ton of maturing to do. Unfortunately, some never mature. It's a problem all over the country, but it's exemplified when it happens at one of the best programs in the nation. KU will move on from this and be just fine.

He would take some of them. Listen, I've talked to the guy over a dinner table and he's all about the program and winning just like Larry Brown and Roy were. That being said last year a kid named Jared Young was on the team and got out of line in the locker room and Turg. benched him for several games. Once he got reinstated he promptly got into an argument with Turg. after a victory in the tunnel because he didn't get enough PT (Turg tried to talk to him and Young physically pushed Turg. away). He got kicked off the team the next day. His backup was a 4th year walk on who had to play key minutes from January on. Don't give me that BS. I've seen it handled correctly first hand. Turg. learned this from Brown and maybe Roy. Self isn't from the same coaching tree and it shows.

Eleazar · 11-07-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

They beat UK in Lawrence last year, FWIW.

The N is for knowledgable... er I mean, the K is for... knowledgable...er...

CoMoChief · 11-07-2006, 02:26 PM

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They beat UK in Lawrence last year, FWIW.

I must be thinking of the previous season then, my bad but still KY is a good team, one of the best in the nation.

**Saulbadguy** · 11-07-2006, 02:27 PM

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I must be thinking of the previous season then, my bad but still KY is a good team, one of the best in the nation.

They sucked last year. Relatively speaking, of course.

ChiefaRoo · 11-07-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Good lord they're ****ing freshman at the time playing half way across the world against a very good team in their first reg season game. KU gelled probably more so than any team in the nation. No one thought they would win as many games as they did last season. Beating KY at Rupp, winning both the conference title and tourney. Did you even watch college bball last season? Are you saying that Brandon Rush isn't a team player?

KU didn't gel all that well. WSU gelled much better than KU. Yes, I watched KU play a lot and always have. Fact is TX was overrated (and KU still got shelled in TX) as was the entire Big12 last year and the tournament proved it.

CoMoChief · 11-07-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

He would take some of them. Listen, I've talked to the guy over a dinner table and he's all about the program and winning just like Larry Brown and Roy were. That being said last year a kid named Jared Young was on the team and got out of line in the locker room and Turg. benched him for several games. Once he got reinstated he promptly got into an argument with Turg. after a victory in the tunnel because he didn't get enough PT (Turg tried to talk to him and Young physically pushed Turg. away). He got kicked off the team the next day. His backup was a 4th year walk on who had to play key minutes from January on. Don't give me that BS. I've seen it handled correctly first hand. Turg. learned this from Brown and maybe Roy. Self isn't from the same coaching tree and it shows.

Self is from the Brown coaching tree actually.

ChiefaRoo · 11-07-2006, 02:32 PM

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Self is from the Brown coaching tree actually.

He sat on his bench next to Turg. but did he follow him around in the pros ala Turg. and did he run Brown's FF team? No. He's a step child at best.

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ImuMamalukabubuday Foreign Exchange Student Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Olathe, KS Casino cash: $10004900	The fact of the matter is that Wichita State would take any of these recruits as well...they just aren't ever in the running. Turgeon wouldn't pass up an opportunity to take anyone off of KU's roster. It's easy for you to say, in hindsight, but that's what make you an asshat, Chiefaroo. These guys are all young when they are being recruited, and they have a ton of maturing to do. Unfortunately, some never mature. It's a problem all over the country, but it's exemplified when it happens at one of the best programs in the nation. KU will move on from this and be just fine.
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