OFFICIAL Debunking the Planet's Chiefs Myths Thread - Page 4

**DaKCMan AP** · 06:44 PM

This thread is dedicated to educating and correcting some growing myths that are perpetuating throughout this BB.

1. We should have kept Lawrence Tynes!

Not even no, HELL NO! Some people have very short memories. Lawrence Tynes missed a 23yd FG in the playoffs. YOU CANNOT COUNT ON A KICKER WHO MISSES A 23 YARD FG IN THE PLAYOFFS. He also missed extra points. This preseason he is kicking a dismal 33% and may get cut by the Giants.

While Medlock hasn't been perfect (50% thus far through 3 preseason games), he has a big leg and a lot of talent. He'll get better, but there may be some growing pains. If you want a young kicker to develop, you've got to stick with him.

For instance, in Nate Kaedings rookie year he kicked 80%, which isn't bad but wouldn't have cracked the top-20 last year. Since, he's improved each year (87.5 in 2005 and 89.7 in 2006). Matt Stover kicked at 72% his first 3 years in the league. He's averaged 86% over the last 13 seasons.

2. We have the worst offensive line in the league!

Yes, we have been spoiled throughout the years with greats such as Dave Szott, Tim Grunhard, John Alt, Will Shields and Willie Roaf among others. Our line, while not spectacular, is still very solid. Don't let the preseason fool you. We are solid inside with Waters-Weigman-Welbourne. Outside we improve at both tackle positions with Turley and McIntosh. We have yet to see our starting offensive line play together along with Jason Dunn and a blocking FB. Save the hysteria until we see the real unit take the field.

There are several teams with lines worse than ours - Oakland, Miami, Houston, Green Bay, Buffalo, Arizona, Tampa and Detroit to name a few. For entertainment sake, here is an offensive line ranking from last season: http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d80025d3e

Our line has improved from last season with the departure of I-65 and Sampson and the addition of McIntosh and moving Turley to RT.

3. Samie Parker will get cut!

Despite what goatcheese writes, Samie Parker will be a Chief during the 2007 season. The fact is that no other WR (Hannon, Webb, etc.) has stepped it up enough to take his job. Yes, Samie has the drops. Yes, many of us would like to see him go. However, it will not happen this year.

4. Damon "Downfield" Huard

For some reason many believe that Damon Huard cannot throw the long ball. Convinced, they are, that we are destined for a season of dump off passes in the flat, quick outs and 10 yard overthrown routes (since the furthest Damon can throw is 15yds, a 5 yard overthrow). None of these claims are true, however. Last season Damon Huard had the 9th longest completion in the NFL at 78 yards. In fact, in just 8 starts, Damon had 23 completions of 20+ yards and 5 of 40+.

5. We need to draft a Top-5 pick OT

This is absolute bullshit. A lot of top pick OTs don't pan out (see Robert Gallery, Mike Williams, Leonard Davis among others). Additionally we have a much greater need at QB than O-Line. We just signed McIntosh who can fill in at LT for a while. We should be able to sign a RT to take over for Turley in the offseason. As it stands now, our OLine is not that bad. Today we had a 4.5 ypc average. There were holes there for the running game. We also didn't yeild a single sack until after the game was 17-0. By then we were in obvious passing situations and no O-Line is going to stand up to that type of pressure. Brian Brohm, Colt McCoy, another WR or more D help? Fine. But a top-5 pick offensive lineman is not our #1 need. Even moreso because I don't think Jake Long is the answer.

More to come on an as-needed basis.

**alanm** · 08-28-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

When did Deberg make the Pro Bowl as a Chief? Matter of fact did Montana even make it as a Chief? Bono? On recall I am thinking you are having a amazing trip down memory lane.

Well, John did say NEARLY all.

Logical · 08-28-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by unlurking

Regarding #1...

Am I the only one hear disappointed in Medlock's kick-offs? Christ, the guy is dropping them at the five (just like LT did), but the height he gets is abysmal! I DVR'd the last time, but never really got interested enough to watch it. If his kick-offs were no better than the first two games, our coverage unit is borked.

All I keep hearing from Medlock supporters his how strong his leg is and how accurate his kicks are. Yes, I think he will be a more accurate and consistent kicker than LT, but I see zero strength in his kick-offs, which IMO are just as important as field goals as they help the defense keep opponent points off the board.

Really makes me miss Stenerud now that was a strong leg.

Deberg_1990 · 08-28-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I will admit I am shocked about Bono.

95 was statiscally a good season for him.

**alanm** · 08-28-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Really makes me miss Stenerud now that was a strong leg.

Yeah but Stenerud also kicked off from the 40.

KCJohnny · 08-28-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I will admit I am shocked about Bono.

Montana, Bono, Grbac, Gannon (as a Raider), Green all made the PB. So much for the Chiefs QB = weakest link theory.

Frazod · 08-28-2007, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Montana, Bono, Grbac, Gannon (as a Raider), Green all made the PB. So much for the Chiefs QB = weakest link theory.

Wow. That particular stat never occurred to me.

But didn't Elvis back into his Pro Bowl appearance due to injury?

Logical · 08-28-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Wow. That particular stat never occurred to me.

But didn't Elvis back into his Pro Bowl appearance due to injury?

Yes

Logical · 08-28-2007, 11:04 PM

Proctor, other than DV's Green which ones of those made more than only a single appearance representing the Chiefs?

keg in kc · 08-28-2007, 11:36 PM

I suppose QB is not a weak link if you're an individual who's satisfied with game managers instead of game winners, and blithely content with teams that perennially fall between 6-10 and 10-6.

That's the goal, after all. Not to try and win. That's not what football is about. It's about eliminating all risk. It's about playing not to lose.

It's certainly not about winning champtionships.

**luv** · 08-28-2007, 11:41 PM

This thread isn't what I was expecting. It's myths about the Chiefs, and not about ChiefsPlanet.

**TinyEvel** · 08-29-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrum_69

In the movie 300...Hootie was seen getting bitch owned by Xerxes

He got bitch owned by copiers?

**DaKCMan AP** · 08-29-2007, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by luv

This thread isn't what I was expecting. It's myths about the Chiefs, and not about ChiefsPlanet.

Sorry to disappoint, but the thread title is Planet's Chiefs Myths and there is a little arrowhead message icon.

TEX · 08-29-2007, 06:21 AM

Our line, while not spectacular, is still very solid. Don't let the preseason fool you.

The Emperor has no clothes...

Chiefnj2 · 08-29-2007, 06:26 AM

The nfl.com link on OL's ranks the Chiefs OL high because LJ had a lot of fantasy running points. It doesn't matter to them if he had to carry the ball 800 times to accumulate those points, or if he had a low ypc.

KCJohnny · 08-29-2007, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Wow. That particular stat never occurred to me.

But didn't Elvis back into his Pro Bowl appearance due to injury?

His numbers more than justified it. Over 4,100 yds and 28 TDs, 14 INTs on a team with no running game. When you really dig down, the QB is not the weak link. The tea leaves all point to the GM, but that could be another Chiefs myth.

Jim's point that Trent Green is the only Chiefs QB who made the PB twice is well made, but irrelevant. He also is the last Chiefs QB to play more than 3 consecutive seasons.

08-28-2007, 03:31 PM
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $6714952	OFFICIAL Debunking the Planet's Chiefs Myths Thread This thread is dedicated to educating and correcting some growing myths that are perpetuating throughout this BB. 1. We should have kept Lawrence Tynes! Not even no, HELL NO! Some people have very short memories. Lawrence Tynes missed a 23yd FG in the playoffs. YOU CANNOT COUNT ON A KICKER WHO MISSES A 23 YARD FG IN THE PLAYOFFS. He also missed extra points. This preseason he is kicking a dismal 33% and may get cut by the Giants. While Medlock hasn't been perfect (50% thus far through 3 preseason games), he has a big leg and a lot of talent. He'll get better, but there may be some growing pains. If you want a young kicker to develop, you've got to stick with him. For instance, in Nate Kaedings rookie year he kicked 80%, which isn't bad but wouldn't have cracked the top-20 last year. Since, he's improved each year (87.5 in 2005 and 89.7 in 2006). Matt Stover kicked at 72% his first 3 years in the league. He's averaged 86% over the last 13 seasons. 2. We have the worst offensive line in the league! Yes, we have been spoiled throughout the years with greats such as Dave Szott, Tim Grunhard, John Alt, Will Shields and Willie Roaf among others. Our line, while not spectacular, is still very solid. Don't let the preseason fool you. We are solid inside with Waters-Weigman-Welbourne. Outside we improve at both tackle positions with Turley and McIntosh. We have yet to see our starting offensive line play together along with Jason Dunn and a blocking FB. Save the hysteria until we see the real unit take the field. There are several teams with lines worse than ours - Oakland, Miami, Houston, Green Bay, Buffalo, Arizona, Tampa and Detroit to name a few. For entertainment sake, here is an offensive line ranking from last season: http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d80025d3e Our line has improved from last season with the departure of I-65 and Sampson and the addition of McIntosh and moving Turley to RT. 3. Samie Parker will get cut! Despite what goatcheese writes, Samie Parker will be a Chief during the 2007 season. The fact is that no other WR (Hannon, Webb, etc.) has stepped it up enough to take his job. Yes, Samie has the drops. Yes, many of us would like to see him go. However, it will not happen this year. 4. Damon "Downfield" Huard For some reason many believe that Damon Huard cannot throw the long ball. Convinced, they are, that we are destined for a season of dump off passes in the flat, quick outs and 10 yard overthrown routes (since the furthest Damon can throw is 15yds, a 5 yard overthrow). None of these claims are true, however. Last season Damon Huard had the 9th longest completion in the NFL at 78 yards. In fact, in just 8 starts, Damon had 23 completions of 20+ yards and 5 of 40+. 5. We need to draft a Top-5 pick OT This is absolute bullshit. A lot of top pick OTs don't pan out (see Robert Gallery, Mike Williams, Leonard Davis among others). Additionally we have a much greater need at QB than O-Line. We just signed McIntosh who can fill in at LT for a while. We should be able to sign a RT to take over for Turley in the offseason. As it stands now, our OLine is not that bad. Today we had a 4.5 ypc average. There were holes there for the running game. We also didn't yeild a single sack until after the game was 17-0. By then we were in obvious passing situations and no O-Line is going to stand up to that type of pressure. Brian Brohm, Colt McCoy, another WR or more D help? Fine. But a top-5 pick offensive lineman is not our #1 need. Even moreso because I don't think Jake Long is the answer. More to come on an as-needed basis. Last edited by DaKCMan AP; 09-09-2007 at 06:44 PM..
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