4 games in, how is Brodie progressing as a QB - Page 4

Wile_E_Coyote · 12-17-2007, 12:18 PM

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Micjones · 12-17-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

Clearly, Chad Pennington is the answer. If a QB doesn't put up Brady-esque his first four games then you know he is a flop!

*Waving to the guy in left field*

Tom Brady's numbers after his first four games:
74 Completions
121 Attempts
6.8 Yards per completion
820 Passing Yards
5 TD's
0 INT

He wasn't exactly a world-beater himself, but he showed promise.
It should also be noted that his first start came 3 games into the 2001 season. This is a different situation entirely...

Croyle's four game numbers:
71 Completions
122 Attempts
5.4 Yards per completion
663 Passing Yards
4 TD's
4 INT's

We needed to assess Croyle earlier in the year.
2008 can't be an evaluation period for him.
If he is to play for this organization 2008 should be the beginning of the Croyle era. If he plays well over the next 2 games I'm willing to give him a full 16 next year. But right now... I'm not sure that I wouldn't take Matt Ryan in April.

Crush · 12-17-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

in fairness, chief fans haven't seen a young qb development in a long long time.

i give him a 5. i see things i like, things i don't (mainly the picks). i'm a patient fan. i'm willing to give him next season to develope. however i think derek anderson would make a nice insurance policy.

I know, but I do not see the logic in judging him at this point. We've got to let the guy develop. Just once, I would like to see the Chiefs develop a QB that they depend on every single week.

siberian khatru · 12-17-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

This may be THE most assinine post I've seen on this topic...

This is going to be long offseason. I was about to lose my mind with all the anti-Croyle posts yesterday ("He clearly doesn't have IT" ... "He needs to scream at his teammates more" ...).

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-17-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

*Waving to the guy in left field*

Tom Brady's numbers after his first four games:
74 Completions
121 Attempts
6.8 Yards per completion
820 Passing Yards
5 TD's
0 INT

He wasn't exactly a world-beater himself, but he showed promise.
It should also be noted that his first start came 3 games into the 2001 season. This is a different situation entirely...

Croyle's four game numbers:
71 Completions
122 Attempts
5.4 Yards per completion
663 Passing Yards
4 TD's
4 INT's

We needed to assess Croyle earlier in the year.
2008 can't be an evaluation period for him.
If he is to play for this organization 2008 should be the beginning of the Croyle era. If he plays well over the next 2 games I'm willing to give him a full 16 next year. But right now... I'm not sure that I wouldn't take Matt Ryan in April.

Like Elway's numbers as a rookie indicated he'd be a future HOFer

kcfanXIII · 12-17-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

I know, but I do not see the logic in judging him at this point. We've got to let the guy develop. Just once, I would like to see the Chiefs develop a QB that they depend on every single week.

ya, i agree. had we started him in week one instead of captain checkdown (**** you hootie/gochiefs/kcjohnny, none of you know what you are talking about.), we might be able to make a fair judgment, but off 4 games you can not make that call. its kinda like proposing on the first date. not only does it not make sense, it makes you look like a d-bag. i said 5, because i don't think he's proven he's better or worse than average.

Mr. Laz · 12-17-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

I know.

The stupidity of this fan base knows no bounds.

the entire fan base BUT YOU right ......

amazing how people talk shit but automatically exclude themselves from the group they trash yet belong to.

Micjones · 12-17-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Like Elway's numbers as a rookie indicated he'd be a future HOFer

Like the career of one Hall of Fame QB has anything to do with what Brodie Croyle will become.

Why are people pretending that the opportunity to develop, alone, will constitute success on Croyle's part?

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-17-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Like the career of one Hall of Fame QB has anything to do with what Brodie Croyle will become.

He was given a chance to develop much like the young interception prone Brett Favre

Crush · 12-17-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

the entire fan base BUT YOU right ......

Yep, that is exactly what I said.

I share the responsibility of the stupidity because I keep getting kicked in the nuts by this team, but I keep coming back for more. I also let my emotions get carried away for this team.

Like I said, the stupidity of this fan base knows no bounds.

Crush · 12-17-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Like the career of one Hall of Fame QB has anything to do with what Brodie Croyle will become.

Why are people pretending that the opportunity to develop, alone, will constitute success on Croyle's part?

I would like to see the Chiefs at least try and fail, rather than see them not try at all.

Micjones · 12-17-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

He was given a chance to develop much like the young interception prone Brett Favre

Elway was taken #1 overall.
They had to afford him a different type of commitment.

Favre was also taken higher than Croyle.

Croyle was a Third Round pick.
We don't owe him the same kind of commitment.

Micjones · 12-17-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

I would like to see the Chiefs at least try and fail, rather than see them not try at all.

ALWAYS.

I don't think they'd be "not trying" to draft a QB come April though.
And honestly... I'm not advocating that...yet.

See me in 2 more games.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-17-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Elway was taken #1 overall.
They had to afford him a different type of commitment.

Favre was also taken higher than Croyle.

Croyle was a Third Round pick.
We don't owe him the same kind of commitment.

Dude, you are not making any sense. I gave two examples of great QBs that needed to develop their game. So your excuse is "well he's a 3rd round pick, so fuck him"

**RealSNR** · 12-17-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

But right now... I'm not sure that I wouldn't take Matt Ryan in April.

Matt Ryan will be the biggest QB bust since B. Buster Bustyface McBust graduated from the University of Minnesota with a major in busting NFL franchises and a minor in philosophy, and when he was drafted, his first words to the camera were "Super Bowl or BUST!"

Bank on it.

FAX · 12-17-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

... That's like taking a young wine, adding a gallon of piss to it, and it still tastes okay. Furthermore, if we had some sort of device to take the piss out of the wine and allow it to age the proper way, it would almost certainly turn into a great beverage. Or something like that. ...

No offense, Mr. SNR, but this may, in fact, be the worst metaphor ever.

FAX

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