Chiefs How patient will YOU be with Brodie Croyle? - Page 4

TRR · 07-22-2008, 02:18 PM

Nearing training camp, I'm starting to wonder how soon fellow KC fans will start throwing Croyle under the bus. Last season, Croyle struggled, but had no real help to give KC fans an honest look at what he can do. This season, the line should be a bit better, a healthy LJ should give him a legitimate playmaker in the backfield, and an entire offseason of working as the starting QB could only help...

BUT...

I remember how impatient KC fans were with Trent Green. Most were ready to kill him after the 2001 season, and still weren't happy with him after the 2002 season. Even at the end, after Green became one of the great Chiefs QB's in recent memory, fans were quick to rip him apart, and resurrect the name "TrINT".

My question is, (1) how long will you give Croyle to prove himself? Half the season? All season? And (2) what does he need to do to be brought back as the starting QB for the 2009 season?

Thoughts...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

Except they were all drafted in round 1. The rules are a little different when you get drafted that high.

Why should it be any different with a team who is rebuilding from literally the ground up?

What do we have to lose?

Thinking like this is just one of many reasons this franchise has never developed a QB...

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't give a shit if they were picked #1 overall, or were Mr. ****ing Irrelevant.

The NFL and knowledgeable fans do. There is obviously a bigger commitment afforded to #1's. That can't even be argued. Why you're trying to argue the point is beyond me.

Croyle's draft position factors into my argument.

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To say that you've seen everything you need to see out of a young QB in six starts shows your ignorance on the subject.

You might want to re-read the first passage in your response and then be careful about throwing words like "ignorance" around.

Third Round draft picks don't get the kind of time their First Round counterparts do. There's a reason why.

I said I was willing to sit through 8 more games.

But this "opportunity is all Croyle needs" argument is ridiculous.
Either he has it... Or he doesn't. Opportunity does not a QB make.
He needs the requisite skills. PERIOD.

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Quit making it sound like Roethlisberger and Brady are the rules. They are an anomaly, a rarity.

How about Tony Romo?
Or David Garrard?
Or Joe Montana?

I could go on...
This is silly. You're making excuses for this kid.
You're telling me he couldn't have shown me 1 big game in 6 NFL starts.
That's a joke.

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why should it be any different with a team who is rebuilding from literally the ground up?

That makes no difference.
First Round picks are afforded plenty of opportunity because the commitment is higher. Bottomline. You have to let the Peyton Manning's of the world play. Because of the draft pick you gave up to take him AND because of the contract he was given.

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What do we have to lose?

How about time?

kcxiv · 07-22-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why should it be any different with a team who is rebuilding from literally the ground up?

What do we have to lose?

Thinking like this is just one of many reasons this franchise has never developed a QB...

It shouldnt be, but it is. Coaches/Front offices are more patient. Why? i couldn't even begin to tell you. Thats only something coaches and GM's could tell you.

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 03:20 PM

It's rather simple.

*A First Round pick is more valuable.
*A First Round contract is more expensive.

Chiefnj2 · 07-22-2008, 03:21 PM

First rounders are always given more time - look at Sims/Freeman/Sands.

Mr. Arrowhead · 07-22-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

First rounders are always given more time - look at Sims/Freeman/Sands.

Freeman and sands werent first rounders

Mr. Arrowhead · 07-22-2008, 03:27 PM

I have been one of Brodies biggest supporters, but i will give him this whole year to prove something, and if he dont then we need to move on.

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Tom Brady, as well as maybe a couple of more QB's are the exception. NOT THE RULE.

Figures...

So is David Garrard, Joe Montana, Tony Romo, Marc Bulger and other QB's who have shown in 6 games they deserve the job...Or at least more time to lock it down.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

The NFL and knowledgeable fans do. There is obviously a bigger commitment afforded to #1's. That can't even be argued. Why you're trying to argue the point is beyond me.

Croyle's draft position factors into my argument.

You might want to re-read the first passage in your response and then be careful about throwing words like "ignorance" around.

Third Round draft picks don't get the kind of time their First Round counterparts do. There's a reason why.

I said I was willing to sit through 8 more games.

But this "opportunity is all Croyle needs" argument is ridiculous.
Either he has it... Or he doesn't. Opportunity does not a QB make.
He needs the requisite skills. PERIOD.

How about Tony Romo?
Or David Garrard?
Or Joe Montana?

I could go on...
This is silly. You're making excuses for this kid.
You're telling me he couldn't have shown me 1 big game in 6 NFL starts.
That's a joke.

Yeah, he didn't show one big game...

First start, on the road, against the World ****ing Champions.

A 70% completion percentage, a TD, no turnovers, and a QB rating of 99.2

I'm having a hard time understanding why him being a 3rd round picks has jack shit to do with the fact that the Kansas City Chiefs are REBUILDING, and there's absolutely NO DOWNSIDE to playing this kid every snap, of every game, for the next season, at least.

You're so hell bent on riding him out of town base on his draft location.

Again, I don't care if the kid was picked in the 6th round, if the team thinks he can be the QBOTF, then he should get the time to prove it.

How many teams have had it blow up in their face because they gave up on a kid before giving him a chance, only to succeed elsewhere?

Off the top of my head?

Hasselbeck
Bulger
Anderson
Favre
Brees
Warner

And that's just current-day players.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Figures...

So is David Garrard, Joe Montana, Tony Romo, Marc Bulger and other QB's who have shown in 6 games they deserve the job...Or at least more time to lock it down.

Great list of FOUR GUYS.

Two of which were surrounded by the greatest offensive talent of that era.

Another who has a great surrounding cast, and an OC who wants to air it out constantly.

And another who's proven precisely jack shit, other than having a great 2007 season.

Third Eye · 07-22-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

I have been one of Brodies biggest supporters, but i will give him this whole year to prove something, and if he dont then we need to move on.

That pretty much sums up my opinion, but with worse english.

SBK · 07-22-2008, 03:35 PM

I would expect him to get a little better all year long. If his last 4 games aren't better than the first 4 then you have a problem.

tmax63 · 07-22-2008, 03:37 PM

To answer the original question, a full year. To answer question #2, show improvement through this year. He didn't do as horridly last year as some haters let on. He should have a better team around him this year and can show some of the skills he has. He has a veteran OC that will fit the offense to his strengths and I think he could really show the non-believers some things. If he stinks it up and shows little/no improvement then he should be in a battle for the job next year. As long as he shows steady improvement through the year he earns the right to keep on improving next year.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

First rounders are always given more time - look at Sims/Freeman/Sands.

I'm not arguing that 1st rounders aren't given more time.

I'm simply saying it's borderline reeruned NOT to give a 3rd round QB with SIX starts - who's gone through TWO offensive coordinators, one who was borderline reeruned himself - on a rebuilding team more than 14 ****ing starts to prove himself.

Mic has hated Croyle from the get-go, he'll fight to the death over this one.

07-22-2008, 02:18 PM
TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9870185	How patient will YOU be with Brodie Croyle? Nearing training camp, I'm starting to wonder how soon fellow KC fans will start throwing Croyle under the bus. Last season, Croyle struggled, but had no real help to give KC fans an honest look at what he can do. This season, the line should be a bit better, a healthy LJ should give him a legitimate playmaker in the backfield, and an entire offseason of working as the starting QB could only help... BUT... I remember how impatient KC fans were with Trent Green. Most were ready to kill him after the 2001 season, and still weren't happy with him after the 2002 season. Even at the end, after Green became one of the great Chiefs QB's in recent memory, fans were quick to rip him apart, and resurrect the name "TrINT". My question is, (1) how long will you give Croyle to prove himself? Half the season? All season? And (2) what does he need to do to be brought back as the starting QB for the 2009 season? Thoughts...
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07-22-2008, 03:20 PM	#50
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07-22-2008, 03:37 PM	#59
tmax63 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $3010400	To answer the original question, a full year. To answer question #2, show improvement through this year. He didn't do as horridly last year as some haters let on. He should have a better team around him this year and can show some of the skills he has. He has a veteran OC that will fit the offense to his strengths and I think he could really show the non-believers some things. If he stinks it up and shows little/no improvement then he should be in a battle for the job next year. As long as he shows steady improvement through the year he earns the right to keep on improving next year. __________________ An armed member of society is a citizen, an unarmed member is a subject.
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