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Old 08-04-2008, 01:25 PM  
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Do you agree with this quote?
"If you’ve got a good defense, your thought process changes on offense."
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Old 08-04-2008, 07:17 PM   #46
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"If you’ve got a good defense, your thought process changes on offense."
Ask Marty.
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Old 08-04-2008, 07:30 PM   #47
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I voted YES, but I don't think the difference should be drastic.


No matter the quality of your defense, your goal should be to move the football as far as you can on every play, ultimately to the end of scoring points. This should be done with an estimated expected value computation.

The quality of your defense DOES figure into that expected value. However, I think most "Smash mouth" teams have it backwards. If your defense is steller, then going three and out hurts your team less. You can, therefore, afford to be MORE aggressive on offense. Conversely, if your defense stinks, you should try to avoid taking high risk shots that might lead to turnovers and/or three and outs.
I think that's pretty much on target, Mr. mcan. I wish I could find the research that I conducted on the subject of scoring in the NFL. I posted it some time back, but the search function has successfully challenged my Click Q. Nevertheless, it was darn interesting (at least, to me) and, basically, indicated that the team that scores the first touchdown in an NFL game has a very high likelihood of winning that game. It all came down to Yards Per Play - either via the pass or the rush. The statistics were very clear that teams with a focus on generating a high average in the Yards Per Play category tend to both score first and win their games.

I mention this because (although the old adage; Defense Wins Championships may well be true) defensive-leaning coaches tend to field conservative offenses. Surprisingly, and based on history, records, and every imaginable titty graph known to man, that approach actually doesn't seem to translate into wins in this league, however. According to the statistics, it's very difficult to come back from a deficit in the NFL. Therefore, my philosophy is "go deep."

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Old 08-04-2008, 07:41 PM   #48
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No, not one bit, you should be trying to score every time you have the ball. The only exception may be when you're trying to run out the clock at the end of a game.
or in Hermy's case...





the end of the half!
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Old 08-04-2008, 07:43 PM   #49
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I mention this because (although the old adage; Defense Wins Championships may well be true) defensive-leaning coaches tend to field conservative offenses. Surprisingly, and based on history, records, and every imaginable titty graph known to man, that approach actually doesn't seem to translate into wins in this league, however. According to the statistics, it's very difficult to come back from a deficit in the NFL. Therefore, my philosophy is "go deep."

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Exactly.

I would think a good defense would push you to go for it on 4th and short on the opponent's 40, take extra shots down the field, run a trick play here and there, etc. A great defense should give you the wiggle room to go for blood on 0.

Unfortunately we didn't see a lot of that around here...
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Old 08-04-2008, 07:45 PM   #50
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I think that's pretty much on target, Mr. mcan. I wish I could find the research that I conducted on the subject of scoring in the NFL. I posted it some time back, but the search function has successfully challenged my Click Q.

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Is this what you're looking for?

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Old 08-04-2008, 07:47 PM   #51
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Yes, Mr. GoBo, it is. How did you find that?

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Old 08-04-2008, 07:49 PM   #52
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Yes, Mr. GoBo, it is. How did you find that?

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Old 08-04-2008, 07:52 PM   #53
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Ah. I should have thought of that. I did a search using the term, "titty graph" which sent me to Google and there were a lot of results, but I couldn't find the right thread. Thanks for finding it for me. Prop things to you and yours. Much appreciated. Although I'm surprised this wasn't in the Hall of Classics.

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Old 08-04-2008, 07:57 PM   #54
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Depends on which side your talking about the oppositions mindset, our the team your coaching mindset.

It wouldn't for me I'd want to destroy the opposition on both sides of the ball. Hence "Scoreboard Bitch"
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Old 08-04-2008, 08:49 PM   #55
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Let me ask you guys this, the ones that actually play NCAA or Madden, if you're winning 14-3 do you let up...I know I certainly don't.
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Old 08-04-2008, 08:52 PM   #56
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Let me ask you guys this, the ones that actually play NCAA or Madden, if you're winning 14-3 do you let up...I know I certainly don't.
WTF? Come on, dude. I also don't punt. Ever. Cause **** them, you know.
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Old 08-04-2008, 10:00 PM   #57
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Let me ask you guys this, the ones that actually play NCAA or Madden, if you're winning 14-3 do you let up...I know I certainly don't.
Do the other teams stop trading with you and call you a jerk in their little news stories?
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Old 08-04-2008, 10:12 PM   #58
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I don't understand the argument that a good defense would make you more conservative, i.e., run the ball more and chew up the clock. All that means is that everyone scores less, which means that one mistake by your defense can cost you the game.

If your defense is really good, then it should make you go with a more dynamic offense, because you can tolerate a higher risk factor. If something goes wrong, your defense can limit the damage. Example: it's 3rd and 2 and you're on your own 18 yard line. If your defense is good, it should allow you to try something riskier (with a higher potential payoff) because if you have to punt your defense is more likely to hold. It shouldn't make you more conservative.

Oh my god. I think I just figured out why Marty never won a Super Bowl.
RM is right. With the exception of his last comment. Marty didn't win the SB because when the chips were on the line he lost his competitive edge. During the regular season he was aggressive on offense and defense. In the playoffs he reverted to play not to lose (like Hermit does). The problem with that mentality is that you only score enough to win the game as long as it isn't more than 21 points, we all know that is Arena Football League.

The concept I 'd like to see the Chiefs run is to score every time they get their hands on the ball and the defense needs to stop the opposition every time they have the ball.

77-0 is not a score that I would have a problem with. I would have a problem with a string of scores that are 14-17 losses, or scores within a TD or a FG. Any win would be good, but a 17-14 win is something that I don't think we ever need to see.

Even with all the new talent on the Chiefs team I do not have a good feeling about the upcoming season. I hope we do better but a repeat record is not out of the question.
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yup... if you have a good defense, you dont have too score every offensive possesion

case in point the Dicky V years...
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Turnover margin is the elephant in the room. It's still the 2nd best statistical predictor of victory in NFL (# of rushing attempts is first - and that's more a result of winning than a cause of it).

Every week teams win in the NFL by simply making fewer mistakes. Look at the teams without a Manning or Brady that have made it to the Super Bowl over the last 10 years. You will find lots of conservative offense and winning with turnover margin, defense, and special teams.

Last year the 5 teams with the fewest interceptions all made the playoffs (Jax, TB, NE, Wash, Sea).

But 2 of the top 5 teams in terms of passing yards did not make the playoffs (NE, GB, NO, Dallas, Ariz).
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