Homerific Feel Good Thread

[KCJohnny]

OK, I'm in Korea, I didn't see the whole game, just the highlights, the post-game presser and the box score, so I did not suffer the kind of punch-in-the-gut let down in real time as most of you did as we once again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

I would like to offer the following observations and insights from the perspective of a blind, deceived homer.

1. Miami hadn't given up a TD in 3 straight games. We rolled 'em for 500 yards and 31 points in weather conditions that usually produce a 13-9 type game.

2. We have lost 8 games (55%) by 7 points or less. That means we are right >< there. With 18 rookies on the roster, its only going to get better. Next year we are the '08 Dolphins. Bet on it.

3. Several key positions have been sewn up that will last this team a loooong time: WR, FB, OLT, RB(s), TE, CB, K, .05back, etc... and I might add QB and DT (Thiggy + Dorsey).

4. The key obstacle to deep and lasting change has been removed: thanks for the memories, Carl Peterson.

5. A new GM is a great thing if its the right leader. We could also Matt Millen ourselves into perpetual football agony. Stay tuned.

6. While I admit to the possibility of a HC change, I think that would be a bad decision. Herm seems to have a gift for developing the young players and motivating his team. If the Chiefs don't win 8-9 games in 2009, it might be time for a HC change.

7. Depending on whether you see the glass half empty or half full, the 2008 worst-ever-W/L record Chiefs may have accomplished something not seen since 1962: they discovered a young, talented QB who leads the team and could be around for a decade. I say develop Thigpen and spend draft picks and FA acquistions to rebuild this needy _efense.

We all knew this would be painful, but the antiCarl contingent demanded this kind of rip-it-out-by-the-roots change. The byproducts of a successful rebuild-in-progress are what is noted above: a lot of young, improving talent that is right on the verge winning nearly every game.

Yes, its a homeristic perspective, but I have to say I am encouraged. I see the foundation being laid for a team that may compete for a decade.

KCJohnny

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by chief103182

1. Doesn't matter. We lost. A defense this bad will ensure that every game.

2. A decent coach would have WON those games. That's every anti-herm's point. This team has some young and talented players and the fact that these "competitive" games are being lost is a good indication of poor game-planning, halftime adjustments, and overall utilization and development of talent.

3. Thigpen, I am now convinced, is not the quarterback of the future. He had a great run, provided some amusement on this offense, but he's not the answer. I'm sorry. I love the kid, but you can't coach accuracy my friend. With a different quarterback coach, we could see improvement, and maybe give him a chance in 09, but I don't see it happening.

What the f**k has Dorsey done to convince you of anything?

4. Removing a single man will not solve ALL the problems. If he is the impediment to progress, and he hired Herman Edwards, then:

Carl = impediment to progress

Carl hired Herman Edwards.

Herman Edwards = impediment to progress

5. No shit.

6. The press is now acknowledging that Herm's job is in jeopardy. This game doesn't help. Get ready, because many (not saying all) signs are pointing to a shift.

7. I love Thigpen, but I'm not sure he's the long term answer. You're deciding that way too quickly.

#2) You are mistaken. The Chiefs are taking an inexperienced young team against more talented more experienced teams and taking them to the wire.

That is good coaching.

The Chiefs have been out of the playoff picture, and guaranteed a losing season for a while, and the team continues to play hard.

That is good coaching.

I don't know if Herm will be back or not. At this point, I have to doubt that he will. I felt like a win yesterday and a win this week would allow him to come back.

But, they will be 3-13. Despite all the close losses, it is hard to bring Herm back under those conditions.

[Hoover]

I find it sad that since we have drafted so poorl in the past we look at what Herm has done and get excited. I agree we have filled some holes, but as we did that more and more holes on the defense were exposed.

Thigpen is going to remain on this team and either a short term starter or our backup. Look at the debate going on in Dallas about Romo not being a top QB. The problem in Dallas is that the debate came a year too late, dude makes $60 mil and wears gay hats now. Lets not make the same mistake.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by Hoover

I find it sad that since we have drafted so poorl in the past we look at what Herm has done and get excited. I agree we have filled some holes, but as we did that more and more holes on the defense were exposed.

Thigpen is going to remain on this team and either a short term starter or our backup. Look at the debate going on in Dallas about Romo not being a top QB. The problem in Dallas is that the debate came a year too late, dude makes $60 mil and wears gay hats now. Lets not make the same mistake.

Hoovie:
Romo didn't give up back-to-back rushing TDs of 73 and 82 yards on 2 consecutive snaps last weekend.

Thigpen has done more with less experience than any Chiefs QB since Len Dawson in 1962.

[Hoover]

What? Look at all the weapons Romo has around him, yet they can't do shit on offense.

Thigpen is a nice player but have you ever thought he's closer to being Derrick Anderson than John Elway.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by Hoover

What? Look at all the weapons Romo has around him, yet they can't do shit on offense.

Thigpen is a nice player but have you ever thought he's closer to being Derrick Anderson than John Elway.

Thigpen's stats blow Elway's away head-to-head in both QB's first season as a starter.

[Hoover]

And I had more money at age 19 than Bill Gates did.

[kc rush]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

#2) You are mistaken. The Chiefs are taking an inexperienced young team against more talented more experienced teams and taking them to the wire.

That is good coaching.

The Chiefs have been out of the playoff picture, and guaranteed a losing season for a while, and the team continues to play hard.

That is good coaching.

I don't know if Herm will be back or not. At this point, I have to doubt that he will. I felt like a win yesterday and a win this week would allow him to come back.

But, they will be 3-13. Despite all the close losses, it is hard to bring Herm back under those conditions.

The team only improved after the offense bottomed out and Herm let Gailey design a scheme that would work with the talent on hand. The offense has kept the team in games while the defense (Herm's area of "strength") has been pitiful and has not allowed the team to win.

The team tends to start out strong, but falter in the second halves of games. This could be because of adjustments or lack of conditioning, either way, that is on the coaches.

Despite keeping the team together (and it does seem to be unraveling lately), Herm is not a good game day coach and deserves to be fired.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by kc rush

Despite keeping the team together (and it does seem to be unraveling lately), Herm is not a good game day coach and deserves to be fired.

Herm made the playoffs 4 of his first 6 years of coaching.

[Ebolapox]

oh jesus tapdancing titty****ing christ! now thiggy is the next elway, aikman, and montana wrapped into one!

****. you're a goddamned idiot.

[kc rush]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Herm made the playoffs 4 of his first 6 years of coaching.

This is a what have you done for me lately league. Herm has been a failure here despite backing into the playoffs his first year.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by kc rush

This is a what have you done for me lately league. Herm has been a failure here despite backing into the playoffs his first year.

I know where you are coming from but when I met Brian Billick in Baghdad in February he told me that Herm was deeply respected around the NFL and a quality, character leader who could motivate teams and develop young players. That changed my mind.

[Hoover]

So one shitty former coach tells you another shitty coach is respected and its as good as a free hat from Gunther? What happens if Mike Homgren said Herm's a joke and gave you a cookie?

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by Hoover

So one shitty former coach tells you another shitty coach is respected and its as good as a free hat from Gunther? What happens if Mike Homgren said Herm's a joke and gave you a cookie?

Oh please. Billick is a SB-winning coach and a record setting coach on offense and defense.


Next?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I know where you are coming from but when I met Brian Billick in Baghdad in February he told me that Herm was deeply respected around the NFL and a quality, character leader who could motivate teams and develop young players. That changed my mind.

So were DV and Marty.

Both probably still are.

But failure is failure. Enough is enough and some line must be drawn in the sand.

Losing close game after close game after close game is not displaying great motivation. It is not evidence of developing a young team.

I did notice improved play from the offensive line and offense as a whole. I'm sure you'll understand if I don't immediately give the credit to Herm for that...

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by Rausch

So were DV and Marty.

Both probably still are.

But failure is failure. Enough is enough and some line must be drawn in the sand.

Losing close game after close game after close game is not displaying great motivation. It is not evidence of developing a young team.

I did notice improved play from the offensive line and offense as a whole. I'm sure you'll understand if I don't immediately give the credit to Herm for that...

Granted, but with 18 rookies on the team you need to adjust your "win now" expectations. Losing close games was the key indicator that the 1998 3-13 Colts were about to become the 13-3 1999 Colts and the 1-15 2007 Dolphins were about to become the 2008 10-5 Dolphins.