McShay/Kiper updated mocks

[EyePod]

1. Detroit Lions (Record: 0-16)

Kiper pick: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia -- Stafford is worthy of being the No. 1 overall pick, thanks to his overall skill set.
McShay pick: Stafford -- It appears the No. 1 pick is Stafford's to lose. The gun-slinging quarterback can seal the deal if he overwhelms the Lions during upcoming individual workouts, film sessions and interviews.

2. St. Louis Rams (2-14)

Kiper pick: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor -- The OT spot is strong at the top with Smith, a former tight end who is supremely athletic and exactly what you want in a left tackle: someone you can count on to protect the blind side of your quarterback.
McShay pick: Smith -- Smith has emerged as the top offensive lineman in the 2009 class. He possesses the agility, power and work ethic to solidify the left tackle spot for years to come in St. Louis.

3. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14)

Kiper pick: Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest -- He's a complete OLB with great character and work ethic, which is why it was no surprise when he nailed his combine workout.
McShay pick: Curry -- The Chiefs choosing to beef up the defensive or offensive line isn't out of the question here, but Curry is the best defensive player in this year's draft and displays the versatility new GM Scott Pioli looks for in a draft pick.

4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12)

Kiper pick: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia -- Monroe is just a shade below Jason Smith in my opinion but is a legit top-five pick.
McShay pick: B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College -- The Seahawks taking an offensive tackle is a strong possibility here, especially with their recent addition of free-agent DT Colin Cole. However, Raji is the only elite defensive tackle in this class, and the Seahawks, who finished 30th in total defense this past season, must think long and hard before passing on him.

5. Cleveland Browns (4-12)

Kiper pick: B.J. Raji -- Raji is the top defensive tackle in this draft. McShay pick: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas -- Orakpo left the combine as the top hybrid DE/OLB in the 2009 class. His pass-rushing skills would be a welcome addition to a Cleveland defense that notched just 17 sacks in 2008.

6. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1)

Kiper pick: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech -- The stress fracture in his left foot shouldn't affect his draft status. He's a big-time player who should have a Larry Fitzgerald-type career in the NFL.
McShay pick: Eugene Monroe -- Crabtree certainly is a possibility here, but the Bengals need to solidify their offensive line, and Monroe clearly is the next-best option at offensive tackle. He's not a classic mauler by any means, but he is a fluid athlete for his size and would do an excellent job of protecting QB Carson Palmer.

7. Oakland Raiders (5-11)

Kiper pick: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri -- Maclin will have to adjust to an NFL offense, but I really like his big-play capability and the fact that he's much more explosive with the pads on than his 4.46-second clocking in the 40-yard dash at the combine would lead you to believe.
McShay pick: Maclin -- Speed will rule in the Oakland draft room as long as owner Al Davis is calling the shots.


12. Denver Broncos (8-8)

Kiper pick: Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU -- Jackson would be ideal in a 3-4, thanks to his ability to shift inside in passing situations.
McShay pick: Jackson -- The Broncos need to bulk up along the defensive front in order to make a smooth transition to the 3-4 scheme. They could use this pick on a linebacker, but Jackson is the only elite five-technique in this draft class and would fit well in Denver.

16. San Diego Chargers (8-8)

Kiper pick: Malcolm Jenkins -- Jenkins has all the qualities you look for, with the exception of top-flight recovery speed, which is an obvious concern. Even so, he's too good an overall performer to pass up in the middle of the first round.
McShay pick: Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC -- Maualuga's draft stock could hinge on the severity of the hamstring injury he suffered at the combine and how it affects his individual workouts. Regardless, he's a ferocious hitter with enormous potential. Maualuga's size and explosiveness would make him a great fit at inside linebacker in the Chargers' 3-4 defense.

Todd McShay's Top 20 Still Available

Player	Position	School
1. Louis Delmas	CB	Western Michigan
2. Donald Brown	RB	Connecticut
3. Darius Butler	CB	Connecticut
4. Connor Barwin	DE	Cincinnati
5. LeSean McCoy	RB	Pittsburgh
6. Kenny Britt	WR	Rutgers
7. Ron Brace	DT	Boston College
8. Alex Mack	C	California
9. Shawn Nelson	TE	Southern Miss
10. Rashad Johnson	S	Alabama
11. D.J. Moore	CB	Vanderbilt
12. Lawrence Sidbury	DE	Richmond
13. Larry English	DE	Northern Illinois
14. Jamon Meredith	OT	South Carolina
15. Max Unger	C	Oregon
16. Jared Cook	TE	South Carolina
17. Michael Johnson	DE	Georgia Tech
18. Paul Kruger	DE	Utah
19. Cornelius Ingram	TE	Florida
20. Steven Beatty	OT	Connecticut

Mel Kiper's Top Players Still Available

Player	Position	School
Eben Britton	OT	Arizona
Phil Loadholt	OT	Oklahoma
Alex Mack	C	California
Connor Barwin	DE	Cincinnati
James Laurinaitis	LB	Ohio State
Larry English	DE	Northern Illinois
Louis Delmas	S	Western Michigan

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...ory?id=3972427

I've only included the important picks in the top and then the other AFC west picks, but I've also included the leftovers. I would love it if we could pick up Alex Mack in the 2nd.... we really need a good center and he's the real deal... What do you guys think about Larry English?

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by FAX

I pray we can find a trading partner and move down.

What a year to have the #3 pick. It used to be that we couldn't win for losing. Now, we can't even lose for losing.

FAX

I think this is the one thing that everyone can agree on. We should definitely try to trade down, but really, if we get a great starter/pro bowler, I'm happy.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by EyePod

I would love Crabtree and he's going to be a stud. If we don't take him we'll always know that we could have had a great freaking NFL talent. Even if he is a "broke foot" WR, it's going to heal. It wasn't a big injury.

Justify to me why he's going to be a stud....because he has red flags that flash that have nothing to do with his foot.

[EyePod]

[quote=FAX;5576654][quote=RustShack;5576633]No matter who we draft this year is a reach. ...

Seems that way. What a suck draft class.

Although ... maybe we should start thinking long-term. Maybe the Lions don't draft Stafford and we do instead. Then, we have two (maybe three) tradeable quarterbacks to parlay into value next year.

FAX

That's be crazy....and delicious.

[BigChiefFan]

These guys are overvalueing the LBer position, especially one, who isn't known for rushing the passer. Kiper should know better.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Justify to me why he's going to be a stud....because he has red flags that flash that have nothing to do with his foot.

What are these red flags? Why is it that you're the only one who sees them?

[FAX]

Well, I know this. We need somebody on defense with a name that includes letters similar to "alauga". Apparently, all good defenses need somebody like that.

FAX

[keg in kc]

I don't agree that the trade devalued the pick, because I don't believe the pick had any value to start with. Sanchez wasn't ever going at 3. My guess is that their board looks exactly the same today as it did two weeks ago.

We just have the misfortunate of picking 3rd in a draft with no superstars.

[Mecca]

Lacks great timed speed...Does not get a lot of separation...Played in an unorthodox offense that pumped up his numbers and didn't require him to run a lot of NFL routes...Will get contested vertically...Still has room to improve as a blocker...Has issues with ball security...Health and durability may be concerns...Just two years of playing experience.

[Mr. Krab]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

No need to hate, but he better be a game changer and get to the QB alot or he is a bust..

He needs to produce 7-10 sacks his rookie year...

Beyond silly

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Justify to me why he's going to be a stud....because he has red flags that flash that have nothing to do with his foot.

One of these "red flags" wouldn't happen to be his Troll Doll collection, would it?

FAX

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by FAX

Well, I know this. We need somebody on defense with a name that include letters similar to "alauga". Apparently, all good defenses need somebody like that.

FAX

LOL, those Hawaiian guys just seem to be good at defense.....Maybe it's from always having girlfriends who are constantly walking around in a hula skirt and leing everyone....

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's

Beyond silly

Yea lets draft Bart Scott with the 3rd pick.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by FAX

One of these "red flags" wouldn't happen to be his Troll Doll collection, would it?

FAX

I always found their asses kinda sexy...

[FAX]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I don't agree that the trade devalued the pick, because I don't believe the pick had any value to start with. Sanchez wasn't ever going at 3. My guess is that their board looks exactly the same today as it did two weeks ago.

We just have the misfortunate of picking 3rd in a draft with no superstars.

Yep. Cassel doesn't affect our options in any way whatsoever other than allowing us to pass on a quarterback. Now, if you really wanted that quarterback, it sucks. But, if you didn't ...

This is just a really unimpressive class.

FAX

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Lacks great timed speed...Does not get a lot of separation...Played in an unorthodox offense that pumped up his numbers and didn't require him to run a lot of NFL routes...Will get contested vertically...Still has room to improve as a blocker...Has issues with ball security...Health and durability may be concerns...Just two years of playing experience.

OK, good points.... I'm sure Larry Fitz had a lot of problems similar to these. I know that we have one of the best possible coaches for this type of player. Haley was able to (somehow) make Larry Fitz into a better player over the offseason. I'm sure he can correct some issues with Crabtree.