Chiefs Please post success stories about LBs drafted in the top 5. - Page 4

Frankie · 04-10-2009, 11:46 AM

I know Derrick Thomas was one. But with more and more talk about Aaron Curry as our potential pick I want to know who else justified his high pick as a linebacker.

(Where in the 1st did LT go, btw?)

Mecca · 04-10-2009, 04:47 PM

If you think those things are all remotely similar you need your head examined.

RustShack · 04-10-2009, 04:58 PM

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And Raji played in a 4-3 in college. Just because he's a fat ass doesn't necessarily mean that immediately translates to stud 3-4 NT. People are so quick to say that Curry "has never rushed the passer, so he won't be able to do it in the NFL" but happily want to draft a 4-3 DT to play nose in a 3-4.

And I seem to remember that the Chiefs, in the first round, drafted an offensive guard hoping that he'd be able to play tackle effectively in the NFL.

I don't think there is a single person who thinks Raji would be a better 3-4 NT than 4-3 NT. A big 4-3 NT playing 3-4 NT is a lot closer to a 4-3 DE playing 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 OLB playing 3-4 ILB is anyways. I don't know if you know this, but the Chiefs will be running a hybrid defense using both schemes... so a DE/OLB or a NT/NT is a hell of a lot more valuable than a OLB/ILB(4-3 position/3-4 position).

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-10-2009, 05:00 PM

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A lot of very solid players and a few stars on that list. Drafting LB early seems to be a pretty good choice.

And a lot of complete busts, and even the "stars" weren't impact players, save for the pass rushers.

If anything, that's a perfect argument why you shouldn't draft a LB that high, especially a ****ing cover backer.

Mecca · 04-10-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And a lot of complete busts, and even the "stars" weren't impact players, save for the pass rushers.

If anything, that's a perfect argument why you shouldn't draft a LB that high, especially a ****ing cover backer.

I said this the other day, wanna know how valuable non rush backers are? The Seattle Seahawks had 3 pro bowl caliber LB's they won 4 games.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-10-2009, 05:01 PM

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How many on that list played MLB/ILB for the team that drafted them?

Why are people comparing Curry to pass-rushing OLB's? He's not.

Because they are stupid mother****ers who don't understand how football works and assume that because there is an "LB" next to the player's name, that they all have identical skillsets.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-10-2009, 05:32 PM

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Because they are stupid mother****ers who don't understand how football works and assume that because there is an "LB" next to the player's name, that they all have identical skillsets.

You forgot the fact that PhilFree could see "intensity" in Curry's eyes in a 10 second Youtube clip.

THAT'S scouting, folks!

Mecca · 04-10-2009, 06:17 PM

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You forgot the fact that PhilFree could see "intensity" in Curry's eyes in a 10 second Youtube clip.

THAT'S scouting, folks!

We have fans who think they're Gunther Cunningham.

KCwolf · 04-10-2009, 07:33 PM

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We have fans who think they're Gunther Cunningham.

And more think they're Scott Pioli

**RealSNR** · 04-10-2009, 07:56 PM

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And more think they're Scott Pioli

How do you know one of them ISN'T Scott Pioli?

I'll bet Pioli is somebody weird like Redrum_69. He steals all our good ideas, and that's how he's become so successful.

Crush · 04-10-2009, 07:58 PM

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How do you know one of them ISN'T Scott Pioli?

I'll bet Pioli is somebody weird like Redrum_69. He steals all our good ideas, and that's how he's become so successful.

Scott Pioli has probably banged a few milfs along the way.

EyePod · 04-10-2009, 08:45 PM

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I'm still hoping for a trade down. But if we stay, we will probably take Curry. I was very impressed about him at the combine. He looked quite athlethic, fast and agile. My only concern is his lack of sacks in college. Now I'm trying to convince myself that their defensive system perhaps did not require him to be a pass rusher and if asked, he could be good in that category. I hope I'm not fooling myself. Again with his speed and agility there's no reason he can't effectively pass rus.

He will never be a sack machine. Ever. Get this through your skull now, and there will be less disappointment later.

Frankie · 04-10-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

He will never be a sack machine. Ever. Get this through your skull now, and there will be less disappointment later.

We don't know that do we? He looks like he has the speed and athleticism to be able to do it. Is it really far fetched that Wake Forest never asked him to be a sacker? I don't know the answer, but why not?

Mecca · 04-10-2009, 09:16 PM

Generally speaking when you are the best player on your college team if you could get sacks they'd have you doing it...

He doesn't have that skillset.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-10-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Generally speaking when you are the best player on your college team if you could get sacks they'd have you doing it...

He doesn't have that skillset.

Covering the tight end is far more important than rushing the passer.

Saccopoo · 04-10-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

I don't think there is a single person who thinks Raji would be a better 3-4 NT than 4-3 NT. A big 4-3 NT playing 3-4 NT is a lot closer to a 4-3 DE playing 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 OLB playing 3-4 ILB is anyways. I don't know if you know this, but the Chiefs will be running a hybrid defense using both schemes... so a DE/OLB or a NT/NT is a hell of a lot more valuable than a OLB/ILB(4-3 position/3-4 position).

So, to summarize, if one was to pick a 3-4 OLB for a 4-3 ILB position, he wouldn't be suited to play a 4-3 NT, a 3-4 DE, a 3-4 NT or a 4-3 LOLB, but he could be a 4-3 ROLB capable of switching to a 3-4 LDE or a 4-3 RDE or a 3-4 SSOLB or a 4-3 DT but not a 3-4 DT, a 4-3 RDE/ROLB, a 3-4 MILB, a 4-3 ROLB or a 3-4 NT, depending upon positional value of a 4-3 DT versus a 3-4 NT, a 3-4 MLB versus a 4-3 RDE and as such, conversely, a 4-3 LDE, a 3-4 MILB and a 4-3 ROLB posses schematic positional value as seen by a team running a hybrid 3-4 or even a hybrid 4-3 over such positions as a 3-4 LOLB, a 4-3 RDT and a 4-3 LDE?

Gotcha.

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