Chiefs How are we going to replace TG from the draft? - Page 4

chiefsfan1963 · 04-25-2009, 06:04 PM

We have to wait until tomorrow until Chiefs pick again. WIth the remaining picks can they fill the void on offense that was left after trading TG?

Are there sleepers out there in the later rounds that can replace future HOFer TG?

We have Cassel, LJ, and Bowe. This does not look like a powerhouse offense.

Looks like we are not going to put a lot of points on the board.

Looks like we will have to wait until next year's draft to get some offensive weapons. Looks like we'll have at least a top 10 pick maybe even another top 5 unfortunately.

I'm interested in seeing what our Offense will look like this year. It doesn't look great right now.

Micjones · 04-25-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

You still haven't provided any links to JJ"s comment. You're also taking the opinion of a dumbass journalist over what ACTUAL TEAMS and ACTUAL GMs are doing. I could take you outside and show you the sky is blue and you'd argue that it isn't because Peter King says it's purple.

I couldn't find the links I was looking for.
But let's not pretend that you provided any hard evidence to substantiate your claim.

I referenced and actual GM. A one Scott Pioli who has consistently taken future 1st's. I'm sure he's doing so because those picks are devalued.

I guess I shouldn't trust Peter King.
I should trust you. He has more than 20 years of covering the NFL from point blank range. But I'm certain that you know better than he does.

Tell me who the two teams were that traded into the First Round.
I wanna take a look at these situations.

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-25-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I couldn't find the links I was looking for.
But let's not pretend that you provided any hard evidence to substantiate your claim.

I referenced and actual GM. A one Scott Pioli who has consistently taken future 1st's. I'm sure he's doing so because those picks are devalued.

I guess I shouldn't trust Peter King.
I should trust you. He has more than 20 years of covering the NFL from point blank range. But I'm certain that you know better than he does.

Tell me who the two teams were that traded into the First Round.
I wanna take a look at these situations.

Can you read? I never said 2 teams traded INTO the 1st round. I said 2 teams traded FUTURE 1st round picks for 2nd round picks THIS year.

You say I haven't provided any hard evidence to support my claim - the evidence is TODAY - right in front of your face.

For the third ****ing time:

Denver traded a 2010 1st round pick for a 2009 2nd round pick.

Carolina traded a 2010 1st round pick for a 2009 2nd round pick.

Micjones · 04-25-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I didn't say any teams made trades into the 1st round. My entire argument is that future 1st round picks are devalued an entire round. That would mean a 1st round pick in 2010 is equivalent to a 2nd round pick in 2009.

Denver traded a 2010 1st round pick for a 2009 2nd round pick.

Carolina traded a 2010 1st round pick for a 2009 2nd round pick.

So I had it right the first time.
John Clayton made fun of the Broncos for surrendering a future #1 to move up in the Second Round. Several draftniks did.

It should be noted that Denver traded THEIR #1 not the one they acquired from Chicago. You know...the one that'll end up being the better draft pick of the two in 2010.

Yeah, that was a brilliant trade.
And a wonderful piece of evidence to hang your argument on.

In the Carolina case...
They traded what'll probably end up being a pick in the 20's, next year, for a 1st Round talent this year. Call that a push.

Micjones · 04-25-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Can you read? I never said 2 teams traded INTO the 1st round. I said 2 teams traded FUTURE 1st round picks for 2nd round picks THIS year.

You say I haven't provided any hard evidence to support my claim - the evidence is TODAY - right in front of your face.

For the third ****ing time:

Denver traded a 2010 1st round pick for a 2009 2nd round pick.

Carolina traded a 2010 1st round pick for a 2009 2nd round pick.

I misunderstood you initially, but I got you loud and clear now.

Two teams made trades into the 2nd Round this year.
Denver did so and got laughed at by people close to the NFL.
Carolina did so to get a First Round talent for what'll be a pick in the 20's next year.
You know... Since their premier pass rusher is pissed off and wants out?
Gee, can't understand why they would do that.
Wait...it's probably because future 1st's devalue an entire round.

Got me there Chief.

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-25-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

So I had it right the first time.
John Clayton made fun of the Broncos for surrendering a future #1 to move up in the Second Round. Several draftniks did.

It should be noted that Denver traded THEIR #1 not the one they acquired from Chicago. You know...the one that'll end up being the better draft pick of the two in 2010.

Yeah, that was a brilliant trade.
And a wonderful piece of evidence to hang your argument on.

In the Carolina case...
They traded what'll probably end up being a pick in the 20's, next year, for a 1st Round talent this year. Call that a push.

Keep spinning bullshit and avoiding that you've been PROVEN wrong.

You can talk about talent level, where the picks will and wont be and all you like but the FACTS are that no one knows where those future #1's will be - high or low.

The FACTS are that two teams traded 2010 1st round picks for 2009 2nd round picks.

The FACTS are that you're going off of Peter dumb**** King and 'draftniks' over what ACTUAL NFL GMs are doing.

Again, you have the right to be wrong, and you are.

Micjones · 04-25-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

You can talk about talent level, where the picks will and wont be and all you like but the FACTS are that no one knows where those future #1's will be - high or low.

Right, because no other information is important to the discussion.
That's convenient.

Forget about where they stand at DE.
Forget about where Brown was rated coming into the draft.
Forget the fact that this would probably be a reasonable deal if somehow the future 1st would up being a middle round pick next year.

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The FACTS are that you're going off of Peter dumb**** King and 'draftniks' over what ACTUAL NFL GMs are doing.

Right. Peter King/Jimmy Johnson/Scott Pioli = dumb****s. You = draft guru.
Got it.

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Again, you have the right to be wrong, and you are.

Thanks. And you have the right of way onto Idiot Avenue.
Don't waste time signaling. Just make the turn.

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-25-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Right, because no other information is important to the discussion.
That's convenient.

Forget about where they stand at DE.
Forget about where Brown was rated coming into the draft.
Forget the fact that this would probably be a reasonable deal if somehow the future 1st would up being a middle round pick next year.

Right. Peter King/Jimmy Johnson/Scott Pioli = dumb****s. You = draft guru.
Got it.

Thanks. And you have the right of way onto Idiot Avenue.
Don't waste time signaling. Just make the turn.

Our previous discussion had nothing to do with player value, positional needs, etc. It was straight up draft pick trade value. I've been proven right today. You've been proven wrong. Don't be so butthurt over it.

Peter King is a dumb****. You haven't proven a damn thing that shows Jimmy Johnson or Scott Pioli agree with your (lack of) argument.

htismaqe · 04-25-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I saw that Denver did. I also heard draftniks laughing their heads off about it.
I saw teams make dumb trades at least three times today.
What's that prove?

Next year's picks have exactly one round less value than picks in the same round this season.

It's ALWAYS been that way. ALWAYS.

htismaqe · 04-25-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Unless they trade for Boldin, the Chiefs aren't getting someone from the draft tomorrow who will come in and instantly become a #1 WR... which is what they need. Bowe is not a #1 guy and will be exposed for all of his shortcomings without Tony Gonzalez next season... UNLESS the Chiefs compliment him with a legit #1 WR.

Yeah, because starting WR's are NEVER found after the first 2 rounds.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Right. Peter King/Jimmy Johnson/Scott Pioli = dumb****s. You = draft guru.

Peter King doesn't pick based on research. He picks based on inside information.

JJ didn't do much in Miami.

Pioli?

And apparently, I was correct in stating that Alex Mack was worth the #21 overall.

Because that's exactly where he went.

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-25-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Next year's picks have exactly one round less value than picks in the same round this season.

It's ALWAYS been that way. ALWAYS.

Thank you. He can't seem to get that through his skull.

chiefsfan1963 · 04-25-2009, 08:29 PM

CP and Herm did not leave a team that had a chance of making the playoffs in one year no matter what new organization took over.

It's going to take at least 2 offseasons and 2 drafts to get us competitive enough to make the playoffs. TG made the right move.

It looks like another more losses than wins season.

Miles · 04-25-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

CP and Herm did not leave a team that had a chance of making the playoffs in one year no matter what new organization took over.

It's going to take at least 2 offseasons and 2 drafts to get us competitive enough to make the playoffs. TG made the right move.

It looks like another more losses than wins season.

Too bad Carl didn't have enough time as the GM.

Micjones · 04-25-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Our previous discussion had nothing to do with player value, positional needs, etc.

Our previous discussion took place on a message board...removed entirely from the realities of the NFL.
You realize that, right?

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It was straight up draft pick trade value. I've been proven right today. You've been proven wrong. Don't be so butthurt over it.

First off, this is a discussion on the Internet.
I'd never be hurt over such an exchange.

You haven't proven anything. But you can keep telling yourself otherwise.

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Peter King is a dumb****. You haven't proven a damn thing that shows Jimmy Johnson or Scott Pioli agree with your (lack of) argument.

And apparently so is John Clayton who said that Denver screwed themselves by trading a future #1 to get into the Second Round.

And our current GM who has consistently TAKEN future #1's as compensation is equally as dumb.

But you? You're a regular draft genius.

Fat Elvis · 04-25-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

Contrary to what Carl led you to believe, most teams don't center their offense around a TE.

Someone hasn't been paying attention the last 20 years...you center your offense around the fullback, duh.

04-25-2009, 06:04 PM
chiefsfan1963 Veteran Join Date: Oct 2001 Casino cash: $10005060	How are we going to replace TG from the draft? We have to wait until tomorrow until Chiefs pick again. WIth the remaining picks can they fill the void on offense that was left after trading TG? Are there sleepers out there in the later rounds that can replace future HOFer TG? We have Cassel, LJ, and Bowe. This does not look like a powerhouse offense. Looks like we are not going to put a lot of points on the board. Looks like we will have to wait until next year's draft to get some offensive weapons. Looks like we'll have at least a top 10 pick maybe even another top 5 unfortunately. I'm interested in seeing what our Offense will look like this year. It doesn't look great right now.
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04-25-2009, 08:29 PM	#57
chiefsfan1963 Veteran Join Date: Oct 2001 Casino cash: $10005060	CP and Herm did not leave a team that had a chance of making the playoffs in one year no matter what new organization took over. It's going to take at least 2 offseasons and 2 drafts to get us competitive enough to make the playoffs. TG made the right move. It looks like another more losses than wins season.
Posts: 1,948