Chiefs Chiefs ranked 15th best QB corp. Guess who's 32nd? - Page 4

-King- · 06-27-2009, 02:24 PM

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Farzin · 06-27-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

So you think 3.9 yards per carry as good?

I guarantee Knowshon Moreno will average at least 5.0 yards per carry this year.

Yeah once he leaves Denver he will.

Also, the 32 in 32 list is just one opinion. NFL Live guessed the Chiefs will be the Miami Dolphins. Big whoop about predictions. The Broncos are a joke. They haven't played a game yet and they're having the worst off-season in the NFL. They fired a former SB coach for a guy who came in and pretty much shipped out one of the best QB's in the league.

Since you like to impress us with your 5.0 YPC guarantee--I'm willing to guarantee the Donkies finish LAST in the division.

**Dave Lane** · 06-27-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

The Raiders, Browns, Jaguars, Redskins, Vikings (without Favre), Lions, Jets, Bucs, and 49ers are all in worse shape than the Broncos.

Kyle Orton is for real.

**BossChief** · 06-27-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

The Raiders, Browns, Jaguars, Redskins, Vikings (without Favre), Lions, Jets, Bucs, and 49ers are all in worse shape than the Broncos.

Kyle Orton is for real.

This WAS meant to be a joke right?

BarrySPAMAID · 06-27-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Farzin

Yeah once he leaves Denver he will.

Also, the 32 in 32 list is just one opinion. NFL Live guessed the Chiefs will be the Miami Dolphins. Big whoop about predictions. The Broncos are a joke. They haven't played a game yet and they're having the worst off-season in the NFL. They fired a former SB coach for a guy who came in and pretty much shipped out one of the best QB's in the league.

Since you like to impress us with your 5.0 YPC guarantee--I'm willing to guarantee the Donkies finish LAST in the division.

OH SNAP!!!!! Nice!!!

I'm writing this down Farzin. Good stuff.

Quesadilla Joe · 06-27-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I wouldnt be surprised if he averaged 5/carry, hes a solid back and Denvers line is a good one. But I doubt very highly he is anywhere near a league leader in the Perkins-Ernhart spread system Josh is installing.

Moreno is a versatile back with outstanding quickness and elusiveness, and he gives the Broncos another weapon in the passing game with his exceptional hands and underrated route-running. With Josh McDaniels' preference for spread formations, Moreno could emerge as a playmaker in his first season.

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Originally Posted by BossChief

His ability to block blitzing linebackers and to sell fakes and recieve dump offs and turn them into big gains will dictate his success in the offense alot more than his consistant ability to run between the tackles as Forte did. If he misses a couple key blocks on a player like Shawne "roidman" Merriman or Derrick Burgess, or any of the other premier pass rushers he will have to help the team block, you will be posting some homer shit that you are better off with Simms anyway.

Positives: Tight-skinned athlete with good overall musculature. Good quickness to the hole. Reads the defense and anticipates where the hole, including cutback lanes, will appear. Exceptional lateral quickness and elusiveness in tight quarters. Very rarely tackled by the first defender. Good acceleration past the initial wave of defense and into the secondary. Good spin and stiff arm, and has phenomenal leaping ability to jump over tacklers. Attacks the line of scrimmage and is a tougher interior runner than given credit for. Can drop his shoulders and has good leg drive. Runs through a lot of tackles due to his competitive drive and toughness. Keeps his legs churning and will spin away from tackles. Soft hands for the reception. Natural receiver who poses intriguing possibilities to be split out wide. Good quickness and effort as a route-runner; isn't just a threat on dump-offs in the flat or screens. Provides a pop in pass protection. Extreme competitor who can put the team on his shoulders. Wants the ball with the game on the line.

Negatives: Questionable top-end speed. Lacks the prototype size and bulk some teams are looking for in a bell-cow runner.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profil...ayers-analysis

**Kyle DeLexus** · 06-27-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Blind homerism is a disease

15 is taking into account the Casel trade, I assure you.

Without Cassel we would likely have a 25-32 ranking here.

I like TT, I do, but he only won 1 start.

I know the d sucked, and all the rest of the bigger reasons we lost, but he didnt exactly light the world on fire in the fourth (and most important to qbs) quarter and lead us on game winning drives.

Not saying either that he doesnt have what it takes to do so in the future, either.

I think 15 is generous, at this point, my friend!

my bad I forgot to put my

at the end. That was sarcasm of course.

Quesadilla Joe · 06-27-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

This WAS meant to be a joke right?

Orton is underrated. He is not the best QB in the league, but he can get the job done. He is a proven winner.

Everybody here was laughing at me last year when I said that Cutler and Marshall would become elite.

|Zach| · 06-27-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Orton is underrated. He is not the best QB in the league, but he can get the job done. He is a proven winner.

Everybody here was laughing at me last year when I said that Cutler and Marshall would become elite.

Other teams were paying rent for all the time they were spending in Cutler's head.

Cutler isn't elite.

RustShack · 06-27-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I think Kyle Orton is no worse than Matt Cassel. He is better than Jamarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Shaun Hill, Brady Quinn, David Garrard, Byron Leftwich, Josh Freeman, Daunte Culpepper, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Kellen Clemens,Jason Campbell, and Sage Rosenfells.

I think after this season he will be considered one of the 10-15 best QB's in the league.

**BossChief** · 06-27-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Orton is underrated. He is not the best QB in the league, but he can get the job done. He is a proven winner.

Everybody here was laughing at me last year when I said that Cutler and Marshall would become elite.

thats what Im talking about man...Cutler is FAR from elite.

Stop being such a huge homer!

Jake Plummer was a better qb by this point in careers (third year)...was he elite? He took a bad team to the playoffs and won once there. Cutler took a good team and never improved it.

Orton will never be elite, not even a chance! He can be a great backup, as Thigpen is, but he is a career -55% passer and if it werent for a tremendously talented defense, would not have a win loss record as he does. Cutler will likely be a 12 game winner there with that d and oline. But as his history shows, his diabetes will take over in crucial situations late in the season and he will NEED his defense/running game to cover up his crucial mistakes.

If a qb losses all of his playoff clinching games in hio career (that # is up to like 5 now for Cutler) and by the end of year three as a starter hasnt lead his team to the playoffs, he simply IS NOT ELITE!

Josh Mcd wanted Cassel over him, doesnt that tell you something???

People probably laughed when you surely said Plummer, Brister, Griese and every other previous qb after Elway would be elite too.

thats because its dumb

keep it up though, its good for a laugh!

By this time next year, we´ll have tp hit you with a lead pipe to get Sam Bradfords cock out of your mouth!!

Dottefan · 06-27-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I think Kyle Orton is no worse than Matt Cassel. He is better than Jamarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Shaun Hill, Brady Quinn, David Garrard, Byron Leftwich, Josh Freeman, Daunte Culpepper, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Kellen Clemens,Jason Campbell, and Sage Rosenfells.

I think after this season he will be considered one of the 10-15 best QB's in the league.

SHUT UP DONKEY BOY. I HATE DENVER

Mecca · 06-27-2009, 09:15 PM

I don't know why people argue the Moreno point he is 99% certain to be the easy offensive rookie of the year, and saying you'd take LJ over him is sad, a 30 year old RB with major carries an attitude problem over a guy who's considered a team player that's in his early 20s?

There are lots of things wrong with Denver, their defense blows, they're going to rely on Kyle Orton which is a crapshoot, Brandon Marshall is a reerun, but Knowshon Moreno is going to be damn good.

chiefzilla1501 · 06-27-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't know why people argue the Moreno point he is 99% certain to be the easy offensive rookie of the year, and saying you'd take LJ over him is sad, a 30 year old RB with major carries an attitude problem over a guy who's considered a team player that's in his early 20s?

There are lots of things wrong with Denver, their defense blows, they're going to rely on Kyle Orton which is a crapshoot, Brandon Marshall is a reerun, but Knowshon Moreno is going to be damn good.

I don't think anybody's saying Knowshown' going to be a bust. The issue is this clown who thinks he's going to average over 5 yards per carry and who claims that Forte, one of the most productive backs in 2008, was a liability in the Bears' backfield. That's the issue.

And for the record, saying he'll be OROY is nothing to get excited about. This is a shitty draft class, given that it's hard to see any QBs, WRs, or RBs having impressive seasons in 2009.

Mecca · 06-27-2009, 09:35 PM

If I was picking I'd take him over Forte, I think he's more complete and he also doesn't have a reconstructed ACL in one of his knees.

**BossChief** · 06-27-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't know why people argue the Moreno point he is 99% certain to be the easy offensive rookie of the year, and saying you'd take LJ over him is sad, a 30 year old RB with major carries an attitude problem over a guy who's considered a team player that's in his early 20s?

There are lots of things wrong with Denver, their defense blows, they're going to rely on Kyle Orton which is a crapshoot, Brandon Marshall is a reerun, but Knowshon Moreno is going to be damn good.

and he will be running behind a very good oline

I wouldnt be shocked if he did win oroy, but he has to get the carries in that perkins ernhart spread, which is hard to do, and stay healthy, which no Denver rb could last year to do so.

You also have to take into account that their defense will be giving up points left and right, which will put them in alot more passing situations, taking away his carries.
Health could be the biggest issue in reguards to immediate success, also if Marshall is traded, that takes alot more first downs out of the equasion.

no doubt he will be good though...

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-502950	I don't know why people argue the Moreno point he is 99% certain to be the easy offensive rookie of the year, and saying you'd take LJ over him is sad, a 30 year old RB with major carries an attitude problem over a guy who's considered a team player that's in his early 20s? There are lots of things wrong with Denver, their defense blows, they're going to rely on Kyle Orton which is a crapshoot, Brandon Marshall is a reerun, but Knowshon Moreno is going to be damn good.
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06-27-2009, 09:35 PM	#59
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-502950	If I was picking I'd take him over Forte, I think he's more complete and he also doesn't have a reconstructed ACL in one of his knees.
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