Chiefs Lions "might make a place" for Dorsey - Page 4

Marco Polo · 01-20-2010, 03:09 PM

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...ons_rooki.html

Phil: I've heard on more than one occasion that the Lions should swing a deal for DT Glenn Dorsey. I haven't heard much from him in Kansas City, what has he done? What could his trade value be and why would the Chiefs trade him since they spent a 2008 1st round pick on him?
Tom Kowalski: Lions defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham was on the Chiefs' staff when Kansas City drafted him and Cunningham really likes the kid. The reason he might be available is because the Chiefs drafted Dorsey as a 4-3 defensive tackle and they've now switched schemes and he's playing a 3-4 end. Neither the Chiefs nor Dorsey is apparently happy with the results and that's why I think the Lions might make a play for him in the off-season. I still think it's a longshot, but it's a shot worth taking.
As for trade value, I'm not sure what he'd cost. I think you might see something a little creative, like swapping of picks in a round or two, as opposed to a straight-up one-for-one deal. We'll see if this heats up as we get closer to the draft.

EDIT: I meant "might make a play" but don't know how to change the subject.

FAX · 01-20-2010, 04:35 PM

A first-rounder with 2 years experience with Dorsey's upside (in the right defense, of course) should be worth significant compensation ... no question about it.

Although, through the years, Gunther's consistently demonstrated the amazing ability to convince GMs and HCs to acquire expensive talent for him ... maybe he can do the same in this case.

FAX

Hootie · 01-20-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You'd get laughed at for suggesting CJ-for-Dorsey in Madden too.

well I bet he turns off the feature where CPU can reject trades...

Shit...I don't know what combination of players (you can only do 3 for 1's) or picks the Chiefs could make that Madden would accept.

Dorsey is a 78 on the updated rosters, Jackson is a 76...our fastest defensive player is Flowers (at like 85)...both of our safeties have under 80 speed...our linebackers are ballsack slow as well...our highest rated linebacker is Hali at like an 80 (most recent updates)...

Our best player rating wise (other than Waters) is Jamaal Charles 86 (with amazing speed numbers)...and Dwayne Bowe (85)...

So I'm thinking Charles/Flowers/#1 for Calvin and to be honest I bet the computer would even reject that...

Even though Charles is probably the 3rd best back in the game to play with...speed kills in Madden this year and Chris Johnson and AP are unstoppable...and Charles is right behind.

Hootie · 01-20-2010, 04:38 PM

and if you ask me...

If we can get a mid 1st for Dorsey I'd be ALL over it...

let him go play in the 4-3 where he belongs

**BossChief** · 01-20-2010, 04:39 PM

I wish Tampa was picking at 2, I would feel better about sending Dorsey there. I would hate to doom Dorsey to a career under Gunther.

King_Chief_Fan · 01-20-2010, 04:41 PM

wishful thinking on someone's part. We will take the 2nd and 3rd rounder for him

**BossChief** · 01-20-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

wishful thinking on someone's part. We will take the 2nd and 3rd rounder for him

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-20-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

A 2nd this year and a 2nd next year.

That's ****ing crazy. No thanks.

DBOSHO · 01-20-2010, 04:43 PM

Did i say "i think the lions would trade cj for dorsey" or did i say "straight up or a 1and 3?"

Just curious.

Because everyone the thread suggests a "straight up" trade, calvin is the only player on the lions worth trading for, besides stafford, and not happening.

You guys really do jump to conclusions.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-20-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Dorsey and a second for the #2 pick and draft Suh and then Berry/McClain at #5.

I like Dorsey, but he will never be what he should be in this scheme, even though he will undoubtedly be a solid player in it. Suh could be a star and paired with Berry at safety or McClain at ILB would make this defense pretty good sooner rather than later and we would all of a sudden have a identity on defense.

If they would do it for Calvin straight up, that would be a deal.

I think some here have his value pegged way too low.

Now that, I could live with. I don't think Clark could though. That's a whole lot of skrilla.

Hootie · 01-20-2010, 04:46 PM

personally I'd take a 2nd and 3rd for Dorsey...

People can talk about this guy and his superstar talent and everything...

I just don't see it...and I don't think we'll ever see it in the 3-4 at least.

If we can get a mid 1st...awesome.

If we hold on to him and he does turn out to be a solid player...sweet.

I'm pretty indifferent about the whole thing.

Sfeihc · 01-20-2010, 04:46 PM

Martin Mayhew's(Lions GM) intials may also be MM but he's not Matt Millen. Mayhew so far has shown he knows WTF he's doing. No way he trades anything for Dorsey when he can Suh or McCoy.

Hootie · 01-20-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Now that, I could live with. I don't think Clark could though. That's a whole lot of skrilla.

that's about as likely as Detroit giving us Calvin and Stafford for Dorsey and Cassel.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-20-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

that's about as likely as Detroit giving us Calvin and Stafford for Dorsey and Cassel.

Totally. It's unrealistic. But Crennel is going to be running some 4-3 looks. Dorsey is still a very valuable commodity for us, and I wouldn't trade him for less than greatness.

Demonpenz · 01-20-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

I would trade DORSEY for CJ straight up.

i would think it would take more to pry CJ away from them

**BossChief** · 01-20-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc

Martin Mayhew's(Lions GM) intials may also be MM but he's not Matt Millen. Mayhew so far has shown he knows WTF he's doing. No way he trades anything for Dorsey when he can Suh or McCoy.

yeah, but from their prospective they could get an elite talent on their defense without having to pay the huge signing bonus for that high of a pick and he would also add a very very valuable second rounder. With that kind of cash, he could do alot of things. I guarantee you they would love to have Dorsey on that d.

Gun would misuse him in Detroit and he would never reach potential though...

SUH>Dorsey+2nd

01-20-2010, 03:09 PM
Marco Polo Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 41°59.4′N 87°39.6'W Casino cash: $3968908	Lions "might make a place" for Dorsey http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...ons_rooki.html Phil: I've heard on more than one occasion that the Lions should swing a deal for DT Glenn Dorsey. I haven't heard much from him in Kansas City, what has he done? What could his trade value be and why would the Chiefs trade him since they spent a 2008 1st round pick on him? Tom Kowalski: Lions defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham was on the Chiefs' staff when Kansas City drafted him and Cunningham really likes the kid. The reason he might be available is because the Chiefs drafted Dorsey as a 4-3 defensive tackle and they've now switched schemes and he's playing a 3-4 end. Neither the Chiefs nor Dorsey is apparently happy with the results and that's why I think the Lions might make a play for him in the off-season. I still think it's a longshot, but it's a shot worth taking. As for trade value, I'm not sure what he'd cost. I think you might see something a little creative, like swapping of picks in a round or two, as opposed to a straight-up one-for-one deal. We'll see if this heats up as we get closer to the draft. EDIT: I meant "might make a play" but don't know how to change the subject.
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01-20-2010, 04:35 PM	#46
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	A first-rounder with 2 years experience with Dorsey's upside (in the right defense, of course) should be worth significant compensation ... no question about it. Although, through the years, Gunther's consistently demonstrated the amazing ability to convince GMs and HCs to acquire expensive talent for him ... maybe he can do the same in this case. FAX
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01-20-2010, 04:38 PM	#48
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	and if you ask me... If we can get a mid 1st for Dorsey I'd be ALL over it... let him go play in the 4-3 where he belongs
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1585912	I wish Tampa was picking at 2, I would feel better about sending Dorsey there. I would hate to doom Dorsey to a career under Gunther. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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King_Chief_Fan Praise Him Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: none ya Casino cash: $4755486	wishful thinking on someone's part. We will take the 2nd and 3rd rounder for him
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DBOSHO trap champ Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	Did i say "i think the lions would trade cj for dorsey" or did i say "straight up or a 1and 3?" Just curious. Because everyone the thread suggests a "straight up" trade, calvin is the only player on the lions worth trading for, besides stafford, and not happening. You guys really do jump to conclusions. __________________ Orginator of the group repost
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01-20-2010, 04:46 PM	#55
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	personally I'd take a 2nd and 3rd for Dorsey... People can talk about this guy and his superstar talent and everything... I just don't see it...and I don't think we'll ever see it in the 3-4 at least. If we can get a mid 1st...awesome. If we hold on to him and he does turn out to be a solid player...sweet. I'm pretty indifferent about the whole thing.
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01-20-2010, 04:46 PM	#56
Sfeihc It's All Good Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $10010133	Martin Mayhew's(Lions GM) intials may also be MM but he's not Matt Millen. Mayhew so far has shown he knows WTF he's doing. No way he trades anything for Dorsey when he can Suh or McCoy.
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