Chiefs Is this team going to be the 2002 Chiefs? - Page 4

bobbything · 08-07-2010, 01:01 PM

Listening to Bill Maas the other day, he went on and on about how good this offense is going to be, and how terrible the defense is. It got me thinking, this team seems to be eerily similar to the early years DV teams...

In 01, the team wasn't particularly good. We traded for Trent Green, who had a pretty horrible year. The defense sucked and the offense was pretty average. But, Priest Holmes emerged late and became the go-to guy.

The following year, the offense took a huge leap. Holmes and Green were both great, and we picked up castoff Kennison, who resurrected his career with KC. The defense still sucked and we finished 8-8.

Last year, we paid an arm and a leg for Cassel who wasn't very good. Charles emerged late as the go-to guy. We picked up castoff Chambers who looks to be resurrecting his career. And all reports out of camp are that the offense looks very, very potent, and our defense sucks.

There seem to be lots of similarities between these two teams. 8-8 again, and essentially a mirror of the 2002 season?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-07-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott

2001 Trent Green:
3783 yards passing
17 TD
24 INT
56.6 completion pct
71.1 passer rating

2009 Matt Cassel:
2924 yards passing
16 TD
16 INT
63.4 completion pct
69.9 passer rating

You listed Cassel's completion percentage from 2008.

It was 55.0 last year.

RustShack · 08-07-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

They have talent BUT I believe they still lack a foundation. They're still missing pieces at critical positions. For one, NT needs to be addressed

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Keep doubting Shaun Smith!

Psyko Tek · 08-07-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic

Trent had an incredible offensive line that gave him a TON of time to find the open receiver and open up gaping holes for Holmes to run through. I agree that we have more playmakers, but the game starts in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

and yet every year the drafturbators wanna get a wr or qb or cb
the OL is the offense
no line
no offense

Psyko Tek · 08-07-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

I don't think this offense will be anything special and I don't think the defense will be any different than last year. 4-12, 5-11.

****ing homer

Saccopoo · 08-07-2010, 11:50 PM

Not a chance. This offensive line, as it stands now, even with the addition of Lilja, sucks. Maybe the worst in the NFL. Jones is going to struggle between the tackles and Albert and Seamus O'Murphy haven't shown that they can block anyone. Waters is a shell of his former self. Weigmann has already put in his best years as a Chief.

Teams are going to stack the line, blitz the shit out of us and make Cassel beat them. McCluster is going to have to be as special as they envision him being and Charles is going to have to have a full season that compares to his 2009 second half if the Chiefs are going to have any impact on the offensive side of the ball. They aren't going to overpower anyone and are going to have to rely on the speed and agility of those two to get the yardage necessary to move the chains. This team is going to lean on Succop for points and Colquitt for field position. They aren't going to be a good red zone team because of the lack of strength and power up front.

Defensively, I think they will be light years better than last year. The addition of Smith is going to be bigger than most assume, and Jackson and Dorsey will be better than they were last year. Arenas gives the team a legit nickle back, which was where they were completely abused last season. Belcher should be much improved. And safety production has to be better, because it couldn't possibly get any worse.

No, the glaring, obvious hole on this team is the offensive line. Albert better have his epiphany and Asamoah better be as good as his college reputation because their isn't a lot to bank on up front.

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-08-2010, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Not a chance. This offensive line, as it stands now, even with the addition of Lilja, sucks. Maybe the worst in the NFL. Jones is going to struggle between the tackles and Albert and Seamus O'Murphy haven't shown that they can block anyone. Waters is a shell of his former self. Weigmann has already put in his best years as a Chief.

Teams are going to stack the line, blitz the shit out of us and make Cassel beat them. McCluster is going to have to be as special as they envision him being and Charles is going to have to have a full season that compares to his 2009 second half if the Chiefs are going to have any impact on the offensive side of the ball. They aren't going to overpower anyone and are going to have to rely on the speed and agility of those two to get the yardage necessary to move the chains. This team is going to lean on Succop for points and Colquitt for field position. They aren't going to be a good red zone team because of the lack of strength and power up front.

Defensively, I think they will be light years better than last year. The addition of Smith is going to be bigger than most assume, and Jackson and Dorsey will be better than they were last year. Arenas gives the team a legit nickle back, which was where they were completely abused last season. Belcher should be much improved. And safety production has to be better, because it couldn't possibly get any worse.

No, the glaring, obvious hole on this team is the offensive line. Albert better have his epiphany and Asamoah better be as good as his college reputation because their isn't a lot to bank on up front.

Translation: Whaaa! We drafted a safety rather than a LT. Whaaa!

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-08-2010, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek

and yet every year the drafturbators wanna get a wr or qb or cb
the OL is the offense
no line
no offense

Take a pill. Rome wasnt built in a day...

thebrad84 · 08-08-2010, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BCD

Take a pill. Rome wasnt built in a day...

What about in 40 years?

milkman · 08-08-2010, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek

and yet every year the drafturbators wanna get a wr or qb or cb
the OL is the offense
no line
no offense

You see, this is why "drafturbators" get pissed.

You idiots can't seem to grasp simple concepts.

The drafturbators have wanted to draft O-Lineman every year.

milkman · 08-08-2010, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BCD

Translation: Whaaa! We drafted a safety rather than a LT. Whaaa!

At the end of the day, Okung's Sac is right.

This O-Line hasn't really improved.

Waters is a shell.
Weigman is probably done.

O'Calligan is scrub, at best.

He's even right about Albert.
He does have to have an "epiphane" this year.

Where our opinions diverge is whether Albert will have that epiphane, and that Okung is going to be any better.

**Bugeater** · 08-08-2010, 05:01 AM

Aw crap, I'm up as early as milkman. I'm officially an old fart now.

milkman · 08-08-2010, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Aw crap, I'm up as early as milkman. I'm officially an old fart now.

I wouldn't worry about it.

Technically you aren't up as early as me.

It's 4 am here.

**Bugeater** · 08-08-2010, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I wouldn't worry about it.

Technically you aren't up as early as me.

It's 4 am here.

Oh, thank god. Carry on.

RustShack · 08-08-2010, 05:52 AM

Albert, LT of the Future. Asomoah, RG of the Future. Lilja, LG upgrade.
Roaf---------------------Shields--------------------Waters

The line might not be upgraded, but we sure didn't need to waste a first round pick on one. The pieces are there.

Red Brooklyn · 08-08-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

I have no problem with a team that improves to an 8-8 record. I have a problem with a team that consistantly makes moves that keep themselves there.

Yes, sir. Completely agree.

08-07-2010, 01:01 PM
bobbything Distributor of Pain Join Date: Nov 2004 Casino cash: $8864900	Is this team going to be the 2002 Chiefs? Listening to Bill Maas the other day, he went on and on about how good this offense is going to be, and how terrible the defense is. It got me thinking, this team seems to be eerily similar to the early years DV teams... In 01, the team wasn't particularly good. We traded for Trent Green, who had a pretty horrible year. The defense sucked and the offense was pretty average. But, Priest Holmes emerged late and became the go-to guy. The following year, the offense took a huge leap. Holmes and Green were both great, and we picked up castoff Kennison, who resurrected his career with KC. The defense still sucked and we finished 8-8. Last year, we paid an arm and a leg for Cassel who wasn't very good. Charles emerged late as the go-to guy. We picked up castoff Chambers who looks to be resurrecting his career. And all reports out of camp are that the offense looks very, very potent, and our defense sucks. There seem to be lots of similarities between these two teams. 8-8 again, and essentially a mirror of the 2002 season?
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08-07-2010, 11:50 PM	#50
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Not a chance. This offensive line, as it stands now, even with the addition of Lilja, sucks. Maybe the worst in the NFL. Jones is going to struggle between the tackles and Albert and Seamus O'Murphy haven't shown that they can block anyone. Waters is a shell of his former self. Weigmann has already put in his best years as a Chief. Teams are going to stack the line, blitz the shit out of us and make Cassel beat them. McCluster is going to have to be as special as they envision him being and Charles is going to have to have a full season that compares to his 2009 second half if the Chiefs are going to have any impact on the offensive side of the ball. They aren't going to overpower anyone and are going to have to rely on the speed and agility of those two to get the yardage necessary to move the chains. This team is going to lean on Succop for points and Colquitt for field position. They aren't going to be a good red zone team because of the lack of strength and power up front. Defensively, I think they will be light years better than last year. The addition of Smith is going to be bigger than most assume, and Jackson and Dorsey will be better than they were last year. Arenas gives the team a legit nickle back, which was where they were completely abused last season. Belcher should be much improved. And safety production has to be better, because it couldn't possibly get any worse. No, the glaring, obvious hole on this team is the offensive line. Albert better have his epiphany and Asamoah better be as good as his college reputation because their isn't a lot to bank on up front.
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08-08-2010, 05:52 AM	#59
RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $3906954	Albert, LT of the Future. Asomoah, RG of the Future. Lilja, LG upgrade. Roaf---------------------Shields--------------------Waters The line might not be upgraded, but we sure didn't need to waste a first round pick on one. The pieces are there. __________________
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