Chiefs My humble second game thoughts - Page 4

Sully · 09-19-2010, 02:45 PM

During the offseason, Dane made the comment (I'm not sure of the exact wording) that we'd be lucky to be 1-3 after the first four.
I'm here to tell you, sitting at 2-0...he was right.
Our first two wins have been born of pure luck, in many ways. San Diego was a few dropped passes from opening up on us, and today Cleveland got absolutely screwed on a few calls by the refs (non-fumble and Jones' first down).

That said, the teams that win are the ones who take advantage of those things, and so far we have taken advantage...and that's a good thing.

Here are some more of my thoughts.

Offense...

Cassel is awful. But I tire of the discussion, so I won't say more. I'm sad, because the college QB I like is playng himself out of our draft range.
As far as the "Why isn't JC getting more carries" discussion; I have stated I fully agree with him not getting more than 55-70% of the carries, and have listed my reasoning. However, he's far too much of a threat to not get him in earlier. Jones is pretty good to have, but he obviously isn't the homerun threat that JC is. However, two games:two (at least) bonehead moves by JC (this week's wasn't as bad as lasts, as he just made a dumbass cutback instead of hitting the hole). I fully see what Haley is saying when he says he's "starting to get it," because in too many instances, it still seems he doesn't.
It's nice to have a legit TE again. I don't ever want a Tony Gonzalez situation, because we became too reliant on a glorified posession guy. But it's not to have someone reliable at that position.
If O'Callaghan comes back and starts over Richardson, I have no idea what the Chiefs are seeing, because it looks like Richardson is twice the blocker. Late round picks matter.

Defense...
doing great. Smith impressed me today in the oddest of places. He played the nose on those two goalline runs by Cleveland, the second one they scored on. On both plays, he was two yards in the backfieldat the snap. Sadly, he got no support. That's a pretty good center, too.
I haven't seen this team play this much man defense since the days of Hasty and Carter. Add to that how many times they are doing so with no deep help, and it's amazing. I think Crennell may be forced into that a bit, by having to blitz to get pressure, but aside from a few mental errors leading to big plays (mainly by a rookie), it has worked out pretty well.
Flowers is, by far, the best player on the team.
DJ has arrived. I'm ready to call it. He's finally what we "thought he was," so let's crown his ass (and by crown his ass, I mean give him a contract extension).

And my favorite, Coaching...

Adjustments, adjustments, adjustments...
You cannot look at today's game and not see the value of having Crennell and Weis on our sidelines. Two games now have seen the type of football minds they have, the preparation they have put in, and most importantly, the ability to change on the fly and adjust to what they are seeing.
And for all the shit Haley has gotten, his handling of DJ alone deserves tons of kudos. How many people bitched because our best player wasn't on the field last year? The fact is, the patience he showed, and the standard he set must be looked toward in evaluating the growth of DJ as a player. I'm still not sold on Haley, but he's slowly getting some "benefit of the doubt" in the bank with me.

keg in kc · 09-19-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I gotta say, Hali is getting no pressure at all. That's worrisome. He drew a couple of holding calls, but I don't think he would've reached the QB even if he hadn't been held. One thing I've noticed is that he does the same move on every play, which is an outside speed rush. If he would add a spin move or even an inside bull rush, he'd be a lot more effective. As it is, the o-lineman just races him to the corner and then pushes him on.

He's lulling them. He's going to pull a spin move out in week 17 of 2013 that will shock the league.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-19-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bane

Off topic,but was this one of those winning in spite of Cassel games?

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Nope. Dude came up huge with a 46.1 QB rating. Clutch.

KCrockaholic · 09-19-2010, 04:13 PM

If we draft Mallett or Luck I will be ecstatic. Cassel is not the answer.

SDChiefs · 09-19-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bane

Just trying to keep count as we go ya know.

By my count that's 2 wins in spite of Cassel so far.

What? Those 78 yards passing last week were essential for the victory. Cassel has already won 6 more games than Croyle so he needs to keep starting. We need to give Cassel at least 100 games under his belt and HOF talent surrounding him before we can actually start to judge his ability.

**Bane** · 09-19-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SDChiefs

What? Those 78 yards passing last week were essential for the victory. Cassel has already won 6 more games than Croyle so he needs to keep starting. We need to give Cassel at least 100 games under his belt and HOF talent surrounding him before we can actually start to judge his ability.

EyePod · 09-19-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by grandllama

Now, just explain the entire Charles situation (and hopefully it plays out like benching DJ did last year) and I'll buy into his methods 100%

I've seen someone talking about how we're trying to save JC for a year where we're going to be competitive. I understand that if we lose the 1st 2 games, but now that we've won both (that still sounds weird), CMON MAN! USE JC!

KC Jones · 09-19-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

I've seen someone talking about how we're trying to save JC for a year where we're going to be competitive. I understand that if we lose the 1st 2 games, but now that we've won both (that still sounds weird), CMON MAN! USE JC!

I don't buy that at all. Coaches are all about winning as many as they can now.

I suspect the coaches are thinking JC sometimes makes bad decisions, sometimes coughs up the ball, and has trouble squeezing out the tough 3-4 yards up the middle.

Micjones · 09-19-2010, 05:15 PM

I've always liked Haley. I think the guy has the opportunity to become a good football coach in this league.

Watch the replay of McCluster's return for a TD in Week 1.
Seeing him shoulder bump Donald Washington and meet McCluster running back to the sideline was just another indication. He knows how to handle these players. He's still learning. And with veteran coaches behind him coordinating...he's in a great spot to become a winning HC.

EyePod · 09-19-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I gotta say, Hali is getting no pressure at all. That's worrisome. He drew a couple of holding calls, but I don't think he would've reached the QB even if he hadn't been held. One thing I've noticed is that he does the same move on every play, which is an outside speed rush. If he would add a spin move or even an inside bull rush, he'd be a lot more effective. As it is, the o-lineman just races him to the corner and then pushes him on.

I saw him pressuring the QB non stop. Is his job to produce sacks or to provide pressure. I don't call the defensive plays so I'm not sure.

bsp4444 · 09-19-2010, 06:56 PM

Don't we have Jackie Battle for some of those short yardage plays?

MadMax · 09-19-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I've always liked Haley. I think the guy has the opportunity to become a good football coach in this league.

Watch the replay of McCluster's return for a TD in Week 1.
Seeing him shoulder bump Donald Washington and meet McCluster running back to the sideline was just another indication. He knows how to handle these players. He's still learning. And with veteran coaches behind him coordinating...he's in a great spot to become a winning HC.

Sorry, but that sounds more like a cheerleader to me. Not that I'm anti-Hali or anything. Actually, no I ****in hate Hali, pioli and Cassel so there.

MadMax · 09-19-2010, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bsp4444

Don't we have Jackie Battle for some of those short yardage plays?

Who dat?

Sully · 09-19-2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bsp4444

Don't we have Jackie Battle for some of those short yardage plays?

Wouldn't been nice to have him available on Jones' fourth down leap.

milkman · 09-19-2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Pretty easy. QB pressure. We don't get any on the opposing team, making it almost impossible to cover.

The inverse, of course, is true for our opposition.

That's not true.

Time and time, and time again I counted 5+seconds in the pocket for Cassel today.

It was absolutely ridiculous how much time he had and still look like absolute crap in the first half.

kcmaxwell · 09-19-2010, 08:00 PM

took the fam to the ren fest today... how did berry look?

09-19-2010, 02:45 PM
Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	My humble second game thoughts During the offseason, Dane made the comment (I'm not sure of the exact wording) that we'd be lucky to be 1-3 after the first four. I'm here to tell you, sitting at 2-0...he was right. Our first two wins have been born of pure luck, in many ways. San Diego was a few dropped passes from opening up on us, and today Cleveland got absolutely screwed on a few calls by the refs (non-fumble and Jones' first down). That said, the teams that win are the ones who take advantage of those things, and so far we have taken advantage...and that's a good thing. Here are some more of my thoughts. Offense... Cassel is awful. But I tire of the discussion, so I won't say more. I'm sad, because the college QB I like is playng himself out of our draft range. As far as the "Why isn't JC getting more carries" discussion; I have stated I fully agree with him not getting more than 55-70% of the carries, and have listed my reasoning. However, he's far too much of a threat to not get him in earlier. Jones is pretty good to have, but he obviously isn't the homerun threat that JC is. However, two games:two (at least) bonehead moves by JC (this week's wasn't as bad as lasts, as he just made a dumbass cutback instead of hitting the hole). I fully see what Haley is saying when he says he's "starting to get it," because in too many instances, it still seems he doesn't. It's nice to have a legit TE again. I don't ever want a Tony Gonzalez situation, because we became too reliant on a glorified posession guy. But it's not to have someone reliable at that position. If O'Callaghan comes back and starts over Richardson, I have no idea what the Chiefs are seeing, because it looks like Richardson is twice the blocker. Late round picks matter. Defense... doing great. Smith impressed me today in the oddest of places. He played the nose on those two goalline runs by Cleveland, the second one they scored on. On both plays, he was two yards in the backfieldat the snap. Sadly, he got no support. That's a pretty good center, too. I haven't seen this team play this much man defense since the days of Hasty and Carter. Add to that how many times they are doing so with no deep help, and it's amazing. I think Crennell may be forced into that a bit, by having to blitz to get pressure, but aside from a few mental errors leading to big plays (mainly by a rookie), it has worked out pretty well. Flowers is, by far, the best player on the team. DJ has arrived. I'm ready to call it. He's finally what we "thought he was," so let's crown his ass (and by crown his ass, I mean give him a contract extension). And my favorite, Coaching... Adjustments, adjustments, adjustments... You cannot look at today's game and not see the value of having Crennell and Weis on our sidelines. Two games now have seen the type of football minds they have, the preparation they have put in, and most importantly, the ability to change on the fly and adjust to what they are seeing. And for all the shit Haley has gotten, his handling of DJ alone deserves tons of kudos. How many people bitched because our best player wasn't on the field last year? The fact is, the patience he showed, and the standard he set must be looked toward in evaluating the growth of DJ as a player. I'm still not sold on Haley, but he's slowly getting some "benefit of the doubt" in the bank with me.
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09-19-2010, 05:15 PM	#53
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	I've always liked Haley. I think the guy has the opportunity to become a good football coach in this league. Watch the replay of McCluster's return for a TD in Week 1. Seeing him shoulder bump Donald Washington and meet McCluster running back to the sideline was just another indication. He knows how to handle these players. He's still learning. And with veteran coaches behind him coordinating...he's in a great spot to become a winning HC. __________________ It's like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong.
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