Chiefs The Myths of Why We Shouldn't Play Croyle.. - Page 4

**petegz28** · 10-10-2010, 07:25 PM

Myth #1: He will just get hurt.

If that's the case WTF is he our #2 then? If Cassel gets hurt he is going in, so what then?

Myth #2: He is 0-9 as a starter so he can't do the job.

What ****ing job? Hand the ball off? What is it that Cassel does that makes some think Brodie can't do the same if not better?

Nevermind that 8 of Croyle's losses came behind one of the worst offensive lines in Chiefs history with absolutely 0 pass protection and 0 running game.

The 1 game Brodie started under Haley he did ok in until late. I firmly believe had he had more time with the starters the 4 TD's he overthrew against Baltimore would have turned out different

Myth #3: He isn't the long term answer.

I agree, but neither is ****ing Cassel. As much as I like what we are doing right now is actually not a bad time to change QB's.

When it comes down to it you have to look at things this year. Cassel has taken 2 sacks in 4 games. Meaning the O-line is much better in protection and we have a great running game to help him. Croyle, while not a long term answer, can actually throw the ****ing ball with some zip on it for more than 5 yards.

Marcellus · 10-10-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by prhom

I don't think you can say he's not accurate. Football is a little like poker, you don't always have to complete a pass over 20 yards, but if the other team thinks you might you've accomplished something. I think that alone would help the run game continue to be successful.

Yea I can say that, he throws the ball hard when the receiver is 4 yards from him. He has no touch an he isn't accurate. That's the facts.

Thig Lyfe · 10-10-2010, 08:24 PM

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**petegz28** · 10-10-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yea I can say that, he throws the ball hard when the receiver is 4 yards from him. He has no touch an he isn't accurate. That's the facts.

Sadly that is still better than Cassel

Chiefs Rool · 10-10-2010, 08:29 PM

With how well the o-line has been playing, I'm not certain that there is a 100% bonified guarantee that Croyle would have a life threatening injury.

Chiefshrink · 10-10-2010, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

You do it to try to get a spark, and If he gets hurt, then you're back to Cassel. What have you got to lose? Nothing. Cassel should be yanked. It's Croyle's turn to get a shot. I don't give a shit what his record is under Herman Fn Edwards.

Precisely!

I have been on the "wait-n-see" wagon about Cassel up until today. Today was a big game and big players come up "big in big games" and Cassel and Bowe proved they are not "big game players". But after following the game on the internet and the scoring ticker on TV today I could see and safely assume that Cassel and Bowe were not making the "big plays" when needed.

And after coming here in CP and reading the "fair knowledgable objective posters" you confirmed it.

Cassel has never been threatened by losing his job so why should he try to get better? Consciously he wants to get better and I would believe him if he said it but "subconsciously" there is no sense of "urgency" and now a fire has to be lit. But maybe as some of you have said Cassel "can't" improve because he "sucks" that bad.

But the big question is what Haley "really" thinks of Cassel especially after this game. A change at QB will only occur if Haley feels Cassel has lost the confidence of the team, not just the offensive side of the ball.

Yes, the defense is clicking on all cyclinders right now but that won't last long if our D is out on the field 2/3rds if not 3/4qtrs of the game from here on out.

Does Haley make the move?

jspchief · 10-10-2010, 08:38 PM

There's 1 legitimate case for not handing the team to Croyle at this point. He might actually succeed.

What if Croyle comes in and plays well? Plays well enough to get us into the play-offs? Sign him to a new contract? So our QB next year for our up and coming play-off team is Brokie Frayle?

The last thing we want is for Croyle to look good enough that the front office wants to move forward with him. If he was gonna be the guy, he needed to be the guy before now.

At the risk of sounding like I'm cashing it in this season, when it comes to QBs I want this team to flush in the spring of 2011.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-10-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yea I can say that, he throws the ball hard when the receiver is 4 yards from him. He has no touch an he isn't accurate. That's the facts.

You are completely missing the point of all this. No one here thinks Brodie could be the future here. People just want to see something different. Croyle has a live arm, Cassel does not. They need to try something. Its obvious this Cassel experiment is not working.

10-10-2010, 08:55 PM

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Mr. Arrowhead · 10-10-2010, 08:58 PM

Brodie Croyle never had defense to play with that the chiefs have. Ya, Croyle isnt the answer, but he a better option than Cassel.

Marcellus · 10-10-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD

You are completely missing the point of all this. No one here thinks Brodie could be the future here. People just want to see something different. Croyle has a live arm, Cassel does not. They need to try something. Its obvious this Cassel experiment is not working.

You are missing the numerous posts I have stated I am fine with Croyle starting.

I just think it's the same thing except an injury away from going back to the same thing.

I would love to be wrong though.

Chiefshrink · 10-10-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

There's 1 legitimate case for not handing the team to Croyle at this point. He might actually succeed.

What if Croyle comes in and plays well? Plays well enough to get us into the play-offs? Sign him to a new contract? So our QB next year for our up and coming play-off team is Brokie Frayle?

The last thing we want is for Croyle to look good enough that the front office wants to move forward with him. If he was gonna be the guy, he needed to be the guy before now.

At the risk of sounding like I'm cashing it in this season, when it comes to QBs I want this team to flush in the spring of 2011.

You make very valid points. When Pioli and Haley came here, if they really thought Croyle could be developed into a starter they would have done so. But their assessment is that Brodie is nothing more than a b/u.

So at best I see them using Brodie as a motivator "possibly" on a very "short lease" regardless of Croyle's play. I say "possibly" because we really haven't seen Pioli's ego put in a position until now to either 'do what it takes to win and make common sense decisions in the time of crisis or just continue to "pad the ego in denial and try to force a round peg in a square hole".

Damn guarantee you this is Pioli's decision and not Haley's. Pioli comes from the Parcells tree and Parcells wasn't afraid to shake the "apple cart". I predict that Cassel will get the Houston game and that will be it if Cassel doesn't show significant progress.

Frankie · 10-10-2010, 09:05 PM

Ironically Brodie will never come in unless Cassel's injured.

KCBOSS1 · 10-10-2010, 09:05 PM

JUST PLAY THE GUY! I hear the injury stuff, but how do we lose in putting him in? Just play him.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 10-11-2010, 12:05 AM

I don't think Haley will create a controversy by pulling Cassel this year. I think Haley views our team as still in the building process. Casse,l will play out his contract and if he sucks all year he won't be resigned then we will give Croyle the opportunity next year unless we find a better alternative.

beach tribe · 10-11-2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

But, but, but.....that could bruise the psyche of Cassel

Then what's gonna happen, he plays bad? I think a benching is the best thing for him right now. Hell, it may help his game. It needs to be done.

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petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1055873	The Myths of Why We Shouldn't Play Croyle.. Myth #1: He will just get hurt. If that's the case WTF is he our #2 then? If Cassel gets hurt he is going in, so what then? Myth #2: He is 0-9 as a starter so he can't do the job. What **ing job? Hand the ball off? What is it that Cassel does that makes some think Brodie can't do the same if not better? Nevermind that 8 of Croyle's losses came behind one of the worst offensive lines in Chiefs history with absolutely 0 pass protection and 0 running game. The 1 game Brodie started under Haley he did ok in until late. I firmly believe had he had more time with the starters the 4 TD's he overthrew against Baltimore would have turned out different Myth #3: He isn't the long term answer. I agree, but neither is ing Cassel. As much as I like what we are doing right now is actually not a bad time to change QB's. When it comes down to it you have to look at things this year. Cassel has taken 2 sacks in 4 games. Meaning the O-line is much better in protection and we have a great running game to help him. Croyle, while not a long term answer, can actually throw the **ing ball with some zip on it for more than 5 yards.
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10-10-2010, 08:29 PM	#49
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10-10-2010, 08:38 PM	#51
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	There's 1 legitimate case for not handing the team to Croyle at this point. He might actually succeed. What if Croyle comes in and plays well? Plays well enough to get us into the play-offs? Sign him to a new contract? So our QB next year for our up and coming play-off team is Brokie Frayle? The last thing we want is for Croyle to look good enough that the front office wants to move forward with him. If he was gonna be the guy, he needed to be the guy before now. At the risk of sounding like I'm cashing it in this season, when it comes to QBs I want this team to flush in the spring of 2011. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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10-11-2010, 12:05 AM	#59
Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1519523	I don't think Haley will create a controversy by pulling Cassel this year. I think Haley views our team as still in the building process. Casse,l will play out his contract and if he sucks all year he won't be resigned then we will give Croyle the opportunity next year unless we find a better alternative.
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