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**Rain Man** · 07:18 PM

Thank you in advance for your wise counsel (bowing with hands in prayer position).

What's the fair thing in this situation?

We're on the fifth floor of an office building, and have a kitchen in our space. The sink is clogged for some reason, and the maintenance guy pulled the little u-shaped pipe off and put a bucket under the drain. Supposedly they're going to do the anti-clog thing on Monday. I think this happened Thursday morning, but don't recall.

We put a note on the sink not to use it.

Now, the dishwasher is next to the sink, and one of our administrative people started it up. I don't think she knew that the dishwasher drained into into the same drain, so when the dishwasher drained it dumped the water out under the sink, which then ran around on the floor and made its way down to the fourth floor. At that point it set off a fire alarm, so the fire department came out. I don't know the extent of the damage on the fourth floor. I would suspect it's not major considering this is your typical office building with cheapish walls and ceiling tiles, but I don't know if there's also any kind of fire department bill for a false alarm.

The maintenance guy just came up and told me that the landlord is planning to hold us responsible for water damage.

I want to be fair about this, but don't want to pay a bunch of money if it's a landlord deal. What thinks you?

**Bugeater** · 06-26-2011, 01:20 PM

Oh, yeah, you are in a dicey situation, especially if you are definitely going to move and the landlord knows it.

And did you say Keith Neff of Broe Realty is the one who screwed you over? Just want to be clear about this.

**Rain Man** · 06-26-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Oh, yeah, you are in a dicey situation, especially if you are definitely going to move and the landlord knows it.

And did you say Keith Neff of Broe Realty is the one who screwed you over? Just want to be clear about this.

Yeah, it was Keith Neff of Broe Realty. Spelled "Keith Neff of Broe Realty", but it's pronounced "Keith Neff of Broe Realty".

Just Passin' By · 06-26-2011, 01:26 PM

If you're month-to-month, and you can't move within that time frame, the landlord has you over a barrel. Right and wrong isn't going to have much to do with it. At this point, you might be well served to offer a compromise, where you offer to pay a portion, as if you were dealing with comparative negligence.

**Rain Man** · 06-27-2011, 02:32 PM

Where's that thumbs-up thingie?

So this is weird, but we had the leak and the false alarm and stuff in the late afternoon, and then later that night the floor above us also had a water leak and a false alarm and the fire department had to come out again. Something is obviously wrong in the plumbing because the first floor had a problem last week. So the landlord was reasonable and more or less said, "Eh, it's all screwed up right now, so if you can just pay for what the dishwasher did (couple of hundred bucks), we have to fix all the other stuff anyway."

I'm not sure what's screwed up with the plumbing, but suspect it's got something to do with the first-floor restaurant since they got hit first and probably tend to have the biggest and messiest operation related to water.

**DeezNutz** · 06-27-2011, 02:33 PM

Best couple of hundred bucks you've spent in awhile, huh? Good deal.

**Iowanian** · 06-27-2011, 02:37 PM

I don't know much, but I do know that If I'm ever looking for commercial real estate properties in the Denver metropolitan area, I'll definitely not consider the shady services of Keith Neff of Broe Realty.

**pr_capone** · 06-27-2011, 02:52 PM

Keith Neff of Broe Realty can suck a bit fat hairy horse cock.

JD10367 · 06-27-2011, 02:53 PM

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**Bugeater** · 06-27-2011, 04:25 PM

Keith Neff of Broe Realty has made it to the first page of search results.

**Bugeater** · 06-27-2011, 04:26 PM

Oh, and your landlord is still a ****stick for making you pay for anything at all.

kstater · 06-27-2011, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, it was Keith Neff of Broe Realty. Spelled "Keith Neff of Broe Realty", but it's pronounced "Keith Neff of Broe Realty".

So is this Keith Neff of Broe Realty the same Keith Neff of Broe Realty that you were working on a commercial lease with? The same Keith Neff of Broe Realty that strung you along in the process of closing on a property only to have Keith Neff of Broe Realty find a different tennant willing to pay more money? Because I wouldn't want to get this Keith Neff of Broe Realty confused with a different Keith Neff of Broe Realty.

**Rain Man** · 06-27-2011, 05:07 PM

In fairness, Keith Neff of Broe Realty sent us an unsolicited proposal today for the same pricing in another building that has a worse location, no free gym, and no on-site restaurant. It's a nicer-looking building, though, and the space is nice.

If Keith Neff of Broe Realty sweetens the deal enough to make up for those differences and to show his remorse and try to do right by us, then I could possibly let Keith Neff of Broe Realty out of my doghouse. I'm giving Keith Neff of Broe Realty a chance to display his sense of honor. But he needs to make up our losses and then some, and not just offer us a less desirable option at the same price. All things being equal, I would currently prefer to sign a lease with any broker in the universe, including Taliban brokers, than with Keith Neff of Broe Realty, unless Keith Neff of Broe Realty does right by us going forward.

**Rain Man** · 06-27-2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

So is this Keith Neff of Broe Realty the same Keith Neff of Broe Realty that you were working on a commercial lease with? The same Keith Neff of Broe Realty that strung you along in the process of closing on a property only to have Keith Neff of Broe Realty find a different tennant willing to pay more money? Because I wouldn't want to get this Keith Neff of Broe Realty confused with a different Keith Neff of Broe Realty.

Yeah, it was that Keith Neff of Broe Realty.

Brock · 06-27-2011, 05:58 PM

What I'm taking from this thread at this point is that Keith Neff of Broe Realty is someone that I shouldn't trust with my real estate needs.

**Dave Lane** · 06-27-2011, 05:59 PM

Try offering him half of what you are paying now to sign a longer term lease. Things are bleak right now he might take it. Or call the negotiating firm of Dave and Lane and he will pro bono save you serious money.

I addition to being a master debater, I am a master negotiator. Seriously. I live for this stuff. Pm me if you want help.

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

This is turning out much better than I thought.

My challenge, though, is that I have a really weak negotiating position. We're having to crawl back on our hands and knees to do month to month leases since Keith Neff of Broe Realty screwed us over on our new commercial lease. That's Keith Neff for anyone who missed it. Since we're starting our search over, and since our lease has ended, we're hoping the current landlord will keep us at the same price. So far they have, but if we get into an argument about this stuff it could result in a big short-term rent increase.

Even if it's not our responsibility I may pay it if it's not much money just to keep that good relationship on the rent stuff.

View Poll Results: Who pays for any damage or charges in a fair world?
Rain Man, Inc. pays all damage. Bad dishwasher move.	14	26.92%
Rain Man, Inc. pays most damage. Some shared blame.	8	15.38%
Split it down the middle.	3	5.77%
Landlord pays most damage. Some shared blame.	5	9.62%
Landlord pays all damage. Should've fixed the damn pipe.	17	32.69%
I like running in sprinklers.	5	9.62%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

06-24-2011, 07:09 PM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $2758491 VARSITY	What's fair? (Water Damage Question) Thank you in advance for your wise counsel (bowing with hands in prayer position). What's the fair thing in this situation? We're on the fifth floor of an office building, and have a kitchen in our space. The sink is clogged for some reason, and the maintenance guy pulled the little u-shaped pipe off and put a bucket under the drain. Supposedly they're going to do the anti-clog thing on Monday. I think this happened Thursday morning, but don't recall. We put a note on the sink not to use it. Now, the dishwasher is next to the sink, and one of our administrative people started it up. I don't think she knew that the dishwasher drained into into the same drain, so when the dishwasher drained it dumped the water out under the sink, which then ran around on the floor and made its way down to the fourth floor. At that point it set off a fire alarm, so the fire department came out. I don't know the extent of the damage on the fourth floor. I would suspect it's not major considering this is your typical office building with cheapish walls and ceiling tiles, but I don't know if there's also any kind of fire department bill for a false alarm. The maintenance guy just came up and told me that the landlord is planning to hold us responsible for water damage. I want to be fair about this, but don't want to pay a bunch of money if it's a landlord deal. What thinks you? Last edited by Rain Man; 06-24-2011 at 07:18 PM..
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06-26-2011, 01:20 PM	#46
Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $6232680	Oh, yeah, you are in a dicey situation, especially if you are definitely going to move and the landlord knows it. And did you say Keith Neff of Broe Realty is the one who screwed you over? Just want to be clear about this.
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06-26-2011, 01:26 PM	#48
Just Passin' By In Search of a Life Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $5460524	If you're month-to-month, and you can't move within that time frame, the landlord has you over a barrel. Right and wrong isn't going to have much to do with it. At this point, you might be well served to offer a compromise, where you offer to pay a portion, as if you were dealing with comparative negligence.
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06-27-2011, 02:32 PM	#49
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $2758491 VARSITY	Where's that thumbs-up thingie? So this is weird, but we had the leak and the false alarm and stuff in the late afternoon, and then later that night the floor above us also had a water leak and a false alarm and the fire department had to come out again. Something is obviously wrong in the plumbing because the first floor had a problem last week. So the landlord was reasonable and more or less said, "Eh, it's all screwed up right now, so if you can just pay for what the dishwasher did (couple of hundred bucks), we have to fix all the other stuff anyway." I'm not sure what's screwed up with the plumbing, but suspect it's got something to do with the first-floor restaurant since they got hit first and probably tend to have the biggest and messiest operation related to water. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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06-27-2011, 02:37 PM	#51
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06-27-2011, 02:52 PM	#52
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06-27-2011, 02:53 PM	#53
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06-27-2011, 04:25 PM	#54
Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $6232680	Keith Neff of Broe Realty has made it to the first page of search results.
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06-27-2011, 04:26 PM	#55
Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $6232680	Oh, and your landlord is still a ****stick for making you pay for anything at all.
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06-27-2011, 05:07 PM	#57
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $2758491 VARSITY	In fairness, Keith Neff of Broe Realty sent us an unsolicited proposal today for the same pricing in another building that has a worse location, no free gym, and no on-site restaurant. It's a nicer-looking building, though, and the space is nice. If Keith Neff of Broe Realty sweetens the deal enough to make up for those differences and to show his remorse and try to do right by us, then I could possibly let Keith Neff of Broe Realty out of my doghouse. I'm giving Keith Neff of Broe Realty a chance to display his sense of honor. But he needs to make up our losses and then some, and not just offer us a less desirable option at the same price. All things being equal, I would currently prefer to sign a lease with any broker in the universe, including Taliban brokers, than with Keith Neff of Broe Realty, unless Keith Neff of Broe Realty does right by us going forward. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
Posts: 141,873

06-27-2011, 05:58 PM	#59
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	What I'm taking from this thread at this point is that Keith Neff of Broe Realty is someone that I shouldn't trust with my real estate needs.
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