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**SAUTO** · 08-20-2011, 09:24 AM

So what does the planet think if his play against the ravens?

I thought he made a great play in sniffing out the screen and making the tackle, even when he had to dodge #70 who looked clueless about what was going on.

Looked like a wiley vet there...
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beach tribe · 08-20-2011, 08:54 PM

A lot of people will never be happy with T Jack because of where he was picked, but I think he's going to be a monster with Gregg beside him, and I mean a real ****ing handful.
He's big, strong, and pretty damn nimble. I really don't see bailey wrestling the starting job away from him. You can call me crazy, but I just watched the SD game again, and I think he's just scratching the surface of his potential.

Mr. Laz · 08-20-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I never argued that Cassel can't be a good QB.

He still has to improve his mechanics, and make quicker reads.

My big problem with Cassel was that he was project that would be at or approaching 30 before we see it completed, if he does become a good QB.

tbh it looks like Cassel doesn't even make any post snap reads. He decides where he is going to throw it before the ball is snapped.

is that because he gets killed if he holds the ball for more than 1.4 seconds? Maybe, but a passing game without post snap adjustments isn't going have any consistency.

milkman · 08-20-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

A lot of people will never be happy with T Jack because of where he was picked, but I think he's going to be a monster with Gregg beside him, and I mean a real ****ing handful.
He's big, strong, and pretty damn nimble. I really don't see bailey wrestling the starting job away from him. You can call me crazy, but I just watched the SD game again, and I think he's just scratching the surface of his potential.

I'll be content with Jackson if he can play consistently as well as he played last night.

He'll never match the value of his draft spot, but that is something I have no control over, and is just water under the bridge at this point.

Mr. Laz · 08-20-2011, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

A lot of people will never be happy with T Jack because of where he was picked, but I think he's going to be a monster with Gregg beside him, and I mean a real ****ing handful.
He's big, strong, and pretty damn nimble. I really don't see bailey wrestling the starting job away from him. You can call me crazy, but I just watched the SD game again, and I think he's just scratching the surface of his potential.

there have many people giving TJAX his credit for the Baltimore game.

He looked good against a very physical team

**BossChief** · 08-20-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

is that because he gets killed if he holds the ball for more than 1.4 seconds? .

you guys overstate this more than anything else I have read on the planet my whole time here.

Id be willing to bet any amount of real money that more than half of Cassels sacks came after 4 seconds.

milkman · 08-20-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

tbh it looks like Cassel doesn't even make any post snap reads. He decides where he is going to throw it before the ball is snapped.

is that because he gets killed if he holds the ball for more than 1.4 seconds? Maybe, but a passing game without post snap adjustments isn't going have any consistency.

He did look singularly focused last night, but he did also have games last season when he did make reads and adjustments.

And for as bad as you believe this O-Line to be, I counted numerous times in almost every game last year when he held the ball for 4 to 5 seconds.

beach tribe · 08-20-2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'll be content with Jackson if he can play consistently as well as he played last night.

He'll never match the value of his draft spot, but that is something I have no control over, and is just water under the bridge at this point.

Yeah, It's hard to justify any 5-tech at that spot, but I think he's going to be a big time contributor to this defense, and a ton of players from the first round of that draft have turned out to be dog shit. TJ could easily emerge as one of the best players from that opening round, when many here never gave him a chance to be anything more than a bust, and many have said if they could get a third for him they would do it in a second. If we can get consistent first round production out of him, It's a win Period.

MOhillbilly · 08-20-2011, 09:12 PM

Bottom line this d and run game will make this club compete. The question is if zorn can squeeze every ounce of talent out of casshole to put the w in the poke when it counts?

**Saul Good** · 08-20-2011, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

tbh it looks like Cassel doesn't even make any post snap reads. He decides where he is going to throw it before the ball is snapped.

is that because he gets killed if he holds the ball for more than 1.4 seconds? Maybe, but a passing game without post snap adjustments isn't going have any consistency.

There's no such thing as a post snap read on a 3 step drop other than to throw the pass or throw it away.

NJChiefsFan · 08-20-2011, 10:57 PM

As mentioned that screen read by Powe was really impressive. So many times, especially young guys, they just attack and don't notice the things going on around them. As Milkman said, that was my favorite defensive play of the game.

If Powe turns into a player where we can avoid using a 1st or 2nd on a NT that would be great, although we still need a solid guy beyond him. Its nice to be able to narrow down the amount of positions we NEED to use a 1st or 2nd on. Used to be we used 1st through 7th rounder looking for starters. Now we are almost where after 1st or 2nd round, we are looking for depth. That is if Powe, Houston, and Belcher are good enough at those spots.

Willie Lanier · 08-21-2011, 03:00 AM

Powe looks like a UT playing NT, but that is to be expected. He has talent but it's frustrating watching him miss his gap assignments.

Houston looked great in spurts, but that was against the second team, so I'll temper my enthusiasm.

Studebaker looked more than servicable, even savy at times...

Willie Lanier · 08-21-2011, 03:01 AM

And Belcher looked awful... misread his gap assignment several times...

kstater · 08-21-2011, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I never argued that Cassel can't be a good QB.

He still has to improve his mechanics, and make quicker reads.

My big problem with Cassel was that he was project that would be at or approaching 30 before we see it completed, if he does become a good QB.

. I've never understood this argument. If you think a qb is the guy to lead you to a sb, what's the difference if he does it at that level for 6 years or 10 years? Qbs with that ability are so rare.

milkman · 08-21-2011, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kstater

. I've never understood this argument. If you think a qb is the guy to lead you to a sb, what's the difference if he does it at that level for 6 years or 10 years? Qbs with that ability are so rare.

The difference is that a QB that begins to reach his potential at 25 gives you a window for 12-13 years instead of just 6 or 7.

Tom Brady probably has 3 good years left, which means that the Patriots have been and will be SB contenders for 15 years, and assuming Cassel hits his stride this year, we'll have about a 6 year window, only 3 years beyond the Patriots window with Brady.

We've had crap at QB for so long, I would just like to have some stability and a long window.

**Easy 6** · 08-21-2011, 09:41 AM

Powes had a couple eye opening plays in every game, he should've never fallen so far.

Too many clubs worrying about his mastery of the english language & not how well he plays football.

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08-20-2011, 08:54 PM	#46
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MOhillbilly Mama Tried Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Casino cash: $9949903	Bottom line this d and run game will make this club compete. The question is if zorn can squeeze every ounce of talent out of casshole to put the w in the poke when it counts? __________________ True Son of Liberty
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08-20-2011, 10:57 PM	#55
NJChiefsFan I've Made a Huge Mistake Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NJ Casino cash: $5750423	As mentioned that screen read by Powe was really impressive. So many times, especially young guys, they just attack and don't notice the things going on around them. As Milkman said, that was my favorite defensive play of the game. If Powe turns into a player where we can avoid using a 1st or 2nd on a NT that would be great, although we still need a solid guy beyond him. Its nice to be able to narrow down the amount of positions we NEED to use a 1st or 2nd on. Used to be we used 1st through 7th rounder looking for starters. Now we are almost where after 1st or 2nd round, we are looking for depth. That is if Powe, Houston, and Belcher are good enough at those spots.
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08-21-2011, 03:00 AM	#56
Willie Lanier Veteran Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Canton Casino cash: $8817261	Powe looks like a UT playing NT, but that is to be expected. He has talent but it's frustrating watching him miss his gap assignments. Houston looked great in spurts, but that was against the second team, so I'll temper my enthusiasm. Studebaker looked more than servicable, even savy at times...
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08-21-2011, 03:01 AM	#57
Willie Lanier Veteran Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Canton Casino cash: $8817261	And Belcher looked awful... misread his gap assignment several times...
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08-21-2011, 09:41 AM	#60
Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $3237775	Powes had a couple eye opening plays in every game, he should've never fallen so far. Too many clubs worrying about his mastery of the english language & not how well he plays football.
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