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Old 12-16-2011, 11:10 AM  
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What do you give up to move up?
Assume for the sake of argument KC wins another game or two and finishes somewhere around 13 in the draft. The top 6 are:

1 Colts 0 16
2 Rams 2 14
3 Vikings 2 14
4 Washington 4 12
5 Panthers 4 12
6 Browns 4 12
7 Dolphins 4 12

The Colts are going with Luck and aren't trading. You want to move up for Barkley and/or Griffin. What do you give up for each of them, and which spot are trying to get to?

I'd offer the Vikings the 2012 1st and 2nd, and 2013 1st for RGIII. I'm not sure about Barkley yet.
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Old 12-16-2011, 12:55 PM   #46
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If the QB is unproductive and you are without a first next year and 2 second round picks you are trying to tell me this wouldn't have a long term effect on the franchise? Bullshit.
You wouldn't be ****ed for 4 years if that happened.
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Old 12-16-2011, 12:56 PM   #47
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Bowe and our 3rd RD to the ram's for the #2 pick
If that were to happen we could stay there and draft either Barkley or Griffin.
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Old 12-16-2011, 12:57 PM   #48
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Bowe and our 3rd RD to the ram's for the #2 pick

Rams#2 pick + our #12(maybe higher) pick to the Colts for the #1 pick

Draft Luck

Baldwin and Breaston our starting WR's next year. Maybe sign a veteran FA WR and/or draft another WR.
I thought about that and it was pointed out (rightfully so) the Rams would just stand pat and take Blackmon.
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Old 12-16-2011, 12:58 PM   #49
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Damn that's steep. Hopefully we could trade Dorsey so it wouldn't take 2 first round picks.
Hmm it would only be one 1st round pick, Billay. We would be using one on the QB.
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:00 PM   #50
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The Franchise would be without 3 high picks and easily ****ed for a good 4 years. I'd much rather try to package a player in the deal to try and save one of those picks.
How can they be any more ****ed than not having a playoff win in two decades and not having a Super Bowl appearance in 4 decades?
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:00 PM   #51
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Look around you, billay, we're at the threshold of Hell.
We certainly are i'm not denying this but the only way I trade that much is for Luck.

I'd much rather try and dump a guy like Dorsey who let's be honest will never fit in this defense as long as we run a 34. He'd be a great fit in Minnesota IMO.
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:00 PM   #52
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Bowe and our 3rd RD to the ram's for the #2 pick

Rams#2 pick + our #12(maybe higher) pick to the Colts for the #1 pick

Draft Luck

Baldwin and Breaston our starting WR's next year. Maybe sign a veteran FA WR and/or draft another WR.
Because the Colts are going to pass up Luck for that deal.
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:01 PM   #53
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We certainly are i'm not denying this but the only way I trade that much is for Luck.

I'd much rather try and dump a guy like Dorsey who let's be honest will never fit in this defense as long as we run a 34. He'd be a great fit in Minnesota IMO.
Are you prepared to take the 4th round pick he'll fetch?
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Are you prepared to take the 4th round pick he'll fetch?
I was saying he would be involved in any trade up to draft a QB but in a stand alone trade yes I would. I don't believe he's much of an asset to this team in the current defense.
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I was saying he would be involved in any trade up to draft a QB but in a stand alone trade yes I would. I don't believe he's much of an asset to this team in the current defense.
You realize you'll have to use a 4th or better to get someone of equal or better value?
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:05 PM   #56
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I thought about that and it was pointed out (rightfully so) the Rams would just stand pat and take Blackmon.
Maybe ... but maybe the would prefer to have a proven/developed NFL WR and not risk Bradford's development by waiting for a rookie WR to learn.

WR's often take the longest to learn and are very risky.

QB,DT and WR are probably the riskiest positions to draft imo.
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I`d give AT LEAST this year`s 1st and 3rd and next year`s 1st
This way we can draft a RT with our 2nd round pick and then depth.

This team is all about finding their QB of the future.
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You realize you'll have to use a 4th or better to get someone of equal or better value?
No way.
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Because the Colts are going to pass up Luck for that deal.
depends on Manning's health

We don't know what the Colt's are really thinking. Either way they are going to act like they are taking Luck to keep the trade value up.

two top 10 picks would go a long way to helping a Payton Manning led colt's team to being playoff competitive again.

Hey, maybe they really are going to take Luck and move on from Manning, but maybe not. It's worth the risk.

we can always just grab RGIII at #2 if they don't and then we still have the 12th pick to add talent at another position.
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depends on Manning's health

We don't know what the Colt's are really thinking. Either way they are going to acted like they are taking Luck to keep the trade value up.

two top 10 picks would go a long way to helping a Payton Manning led colt's team to being playoff competitive again.

Hey, maybe they really are going to take Luck and move on from Manning, but maybe not. It's worth the risk.

we can always just grab RGIII at #2 if they don't and then we still have the 12th pick to add talent at another position.
I'm sure they are pimping Luck to Manning and the fans because they are trying to drive the price up and stay with a broke neck 35 year old QB.
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