These videos bring some FIRE!!!

[El Jefe]

These videos really get me fired up, if you don't respect what the videos encompass, please just leave it be. I'm not trying to start something that will get these things moved to the DC, so if you don't agree with them or think the videos are dumb I can respect that, but respect me and not post something nasty please.

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC

God is Love that is true. I am not quite grasping what you are relating here though?

I'm relating what Jesus taught, Christianity, to religion. Which is what this man claims to hate. That makes his statement impossible because you'd be hating what Jesus preached - a form of religion.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Iconic

If all those formalities are truly his teachings then yes. I'm not debating on what is the true religion here. I'm simply stating what he says is illogical. You cannot love Christ without religion because he initially taught a form of it. He should have worded what he said more appropriately.

Apples and Oranges here my friend, I attained none of the sentiments you did from watching the video.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC

I re-watched it, his statement about building a massive church yet not feeding the poor, is based on the Bible and that in olden times it was the church who was supposed to help feed the poor.

Yes, but what effect does his stance that 'this isn't about what I do, it's about what Jesus did for me' have on that lament.

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC

Apples and Oranges here my friend, I attained none of the sentiments you did from watching the video.

Look I get the purpose of the video. I understand he doesn't like the current atmosphere of Religion because it has been distorted by man and that makes what you're following almost a man made religion in essence and he wants to go back to the original teachings or 'Jesus'. I'm just saying the statement he said was illogical. I agree with most of what he said. Just should have changed the way he said that statement is all.

Originally Posted by blaise

Paging Dave Lane.

I like Dave. I know Dave IRL. But, yeah. It's become comedic lately.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I'll grant that there is a degree of inference from the first bolded statement. But it's straightforward and reasonable, and further it is informed by heaps and heaps of other evangelicals who I heave personally heard start from his premise and make my inference explicit.

Kirk Cameron won't even do kissing scenes for movies with a women who isn't his wife because it interferes with his relationship with Jesus. How hard is it to recognize that such a firmly held belief that one's actions can sully a relationship between the individual and the divine can easily expand to the judgement of others that he appears to decry? What do you think the guys response would be if you said "hey, dude, I beat my meat with abandon and hook up with hotties regularly, so are me and Jesus good?" And who do you think made that single mom a single mom? Most likely someone like his former 'empty' self.

ETA: Maybe its just to me, but there's no such thing as 'too analytical' when being called/inspired to fundamentally change my lifestyle.

I don't know if I am reading your statements wrong, but God doesn't care what you did before you were saved. A true test of salvation is demonstrating a restraint from the sins of your past. Something we all strive for, but will forever be unable to break loose from completely.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Was I way off base with what you were stating?

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Iconic

Look I get the purpose of the video. I understand he doesn't like the current atmosphere of Religion because it has been distorted by man and that makes what you're following almost a man made religion in essence and he wants to go back to the original teachings or 'Jesus'. I'm just saying the statement he said was illogical. I agree with most of what he said. Just should have changed the way he said that statement is all.

I think his point is Religion as a whole carries many facades. Religion Encompasses a great deal of beliefs: Mormonism, JW's, Buddhism, Scientology, Christianity (all those who claim Christianity as well), Islam.

I believe you are trying to say Jesus started and was religion?

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Yes, but what effect does his stance that 'this isn't about what I do, it's about what Jesus did for me' have on that lament.

The church should feel a need to help supply for those who reasonible cannot do so themselves (I know in this day and age that's a two edged sword).

Faith without works is dead. If a seed has been planted correctly it should bear fruit, if it doesn't then is this faith true, or is it uncared for?

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC

I think his point is Religion as a whole carries many facades. Religion Encompasses a great deal of beliefs: Mormonism, JW's, Buddhism, Scientology, Christianity (all those who claim Christianity as well), Islam.

I believe you are trying to say Jesus started and was religion?

No, Jesus started Christianity. I'm strictly talking about Christianity with what I said because he mentions Jesus and Jesus is parallel with Christianity. I believe most religions have been corrupted by humans though.

[Dave Lane]

And if its true that Jesus never existed, which is highly likely, how does this change the message of the video?

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

And if its true that Jesus never existed, which is highly likely, how does this change the message of the video?

This man has an imaginary friend then?

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Iconic

This man has an imaginary friend then?

Good point.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC

I don't know if I am reading your statements wrong, but God doesn't care what you did before you were saved. A true test of salvation is demonstrating a restraint from the sins of your past. Something we all strive for, but will forever be unable to break loose from completely.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Was I way off base with what you were stating?

Here's where I come from.

The core of my faith is two pronged;
Judge not, lest ye be judged, and
Faith without works is dead faith.

Basically, don't worry about what your limited senses make of another person's relationship with the divine, and concentrate on comporting your life in the manner you best assess to maximize your own relationship with the divine.

The guy's comments swirl around those precepts, but inject caveats that obliterate them as well.
He may not like people who judge people living through the consequences of certain actions, but he does judge people who engage in those actions.
He may not like people who don't transform their faith into saintly and charitable works, but he thinks that an individuals actions on earth are irrelevant in the face of Jesus' grace.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Here's where I come from.

The core of my faith is two pronged;
Judge not, lest ye be judged, and
Faith without works is dead faith.

Basically, don't worry about what your limited senses make of another person's relationship with the divine, and concentrate on comporting your life in the manner you best assess to maximize your own relationship with the divine.

The guy's comments swirl around those precepts, but inject caveats that obliterate them as well.
He may not like people who judge people living through the consequences of certain actions, but he does judge people who engage in those actions.
He may not like people who don't transform their faith into saintly and charitable works, but he thinks that an individuals actions on earth are irrelevant in the face of Jesus' grace.

I must say it's interesting to pick your brain. However, I must say that watching the video for me doesn't elicit the same reactions as it does for you. I do see what you are saying, but I just don't see that masked into the video.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Here's where I come from.

The core of my faith is two pronged;
Judge not, lest ye be judged, and
Faith without works is dead faith.

Basically, don't worry about what your limited senses make of another person's relationship with the divine, and concentrate on comporting your life in the manner you best assess to maximize your own relationship with the divine.The guy's comments swirl around those precepts, but inject caveats that obliterate them as well.
He may not like people who judge people living through the consequences of certain actions, but he does judge people who engage in those actions.
He may not like people who don't transform their faith into saintly and charitable works, but he thinks that an individuals actions on earth are irrelevant in the face of Jesus' grace.

I do agree 100% with that statement. Only God can judge a person, so why waste time?

Matthew Chapter 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.