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01-17-2012, 10:19 AM | |
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Why not Kellen Moore ?
There may be the second coming of Drew Brees in this years draft. Kellen Moore is a coaches son who has incredible accuracy and pocket awareness. Here's a link.
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01-17-2012, 11:00 AM | #46 | |
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Moore doesn't have an Aaron Rodgers arm but he's thrown 50 yard deep balls to his receivers in stride on multiple occasions in college. He can get the ball down field if he wants and can put enough zip, coupled with his accuracy, to beat defenses on short-mid routes. |
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01-17-2012, 11:02 AM | #47 |
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My point of this is if you are not drafting in the top 5 and you need a QB leave no stone unturned. Moore might have some ability and can probably be had as an undrafted FA. |
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And he may not be afraid of the pass rush now, but wait until NFL lineman and LBers are blasting him. A little fear of the pass-rush is a good thing, especially if you weigh 190 lbs; this aint Big Ben - he can't take that pounding. Worse still, unlike a guy like Rogers who could roll out a little bit and still have the arm strength to fire the ball, Moore basically has to step into his throws to make them go anywhere, so he has no real choice but to get blasted. He won't be able to really throw on the move in this league due to his limited arm so you can't even roll him left or right to move the pocket to slow down pass-rushes. Further, 'the ability to stand in the pocket' is only good if you can survive the impact or at least minimize the harm thereof. Moore has to put his whole body into throws and if he has to do that in the fact of a rush 15 - 20 times/gm, he's simply going to get physically abused. He's a non-entity here, IMO.
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01-17-2012, 11:05 AM | #50 |
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I highly doubt that. He will be drafted and probably earlier than people expect. I don't expect him to go any earlier than the 5th.
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01-17-2012, 11:06 AM | #51 | |
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And I could agree with that. I watch him play and, yeah, he looks like the type of QB that should be throwing to a spot rather than forcing an improv throw on the fly. His argument is that our offense won't throw enough to let him develop the timing needed to for him to be successful. That I don't agree with. This team should be transitioning to an offense like that, not standing pat and leaning on a run game.
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A simple 10-yard out needs to either be thrown with enough zip to put it past a driving DB or it needs to be thrown with letter-perfect timing before his WR even thinks about making his break, to ensure that the little hump he'll have to put into it to get it there isn't enough for the DB to adjust and break it up. He doesn't have the fastball to drive it past a DB, so the timing has to be nails even on short passing routes. If you're not a legitimate deep passing threat (and we wouldn't be), DBs could play tight on the corners and look to jump those routes. Moore would be a disaster in a run-first system, IMO.
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01-17-2012, 11:08 AM | #53 |
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His height plus throwing motion and release = lots of fumbles and batted balls.
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Kellen Moore under Romeo Crennel would be even greater odds for a SB championship.
Let's get the oldest head coach possible, and the least physically prototypical quarterback and shock the world.
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Stanzi will be a much better pro than Moore
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01-17-2012, 11:11 AM | #56 |
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I'd be in for a 2nd or a 3rd on him. Of course given our track record in the 2nd it might be safer to draft him in the 3rd
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Comparing him to a guy like Tebow is reeruned, you know that. Completely different skill sets. And does Moore have a long injury history? Because even on the college level, he's getting hit. IMO, in order for Moore to work out in the NFL, like you said, he needs to develop great timing with his WR's and get the ball out quickly to minimize the amount of times he gets hit. It's doable.
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And even if we throw the ball 30 times/gm, I don't want to be doing it from an offense like the Saints or even the Pats. I know everyone wants to say the running game is dead, but I disagree. Trying to be exclusively a running team may be dead, but I still think to have a consistently successful team you need to have no worse than an above-average running game. You need to be able to present a credible threat of running the football at all times and you need to be able to adapt on days that the pass just isn't working (some days that's going to happen). I want to remain no worse than a single-back offense starting from under center. If you're going to run a small, undersized quarterback out there you essentially have to operate a pure timing-pattern, shotgun style offense where you run the ball as something of a changeup. I don't like that idea at all. I don't mind having it in our bag, but I damn sure don't want to build an offense focused on that kind of football; it's simply too dependent on things you can't control. Further, it also requires a HOF caliber QB to operate it well. I know we keep looking to teams like NO, NE and GB as 'model' offenses, but that's because they happen to have 3 QBs that are potential HOFers by the time all is said and done, hell all 3 could end up being considered top 20 guys ever. Even if we hit on a 'franchise' guy, it's going to be more like Eli Manning or Cutler or Big Ben; guys that are very good QBs but all of those guys need versatile, rounded offenses to succeed.
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It's 'doable' only to the extent that it's not completely impossible. But like I said, the odds are better that Osweiler, Cousins, Stanzi or a number of other QBs that wouldn't require Swiss-Watch style precision would actually succeed at this level. You have to do too much to build your offense around his weaknesses for me to be at all comfortable with a guy like Moore at QB. At that point you're playing to his faults, not your strengths. It's essentially like building a team around Tyler Palko - and yes, they have startlingly similar physical skill-sets. There's just not enough to work with there to justify building an offense around it.
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