Chiefs Perfect Fit for Manning - Page 4

ClearmontChief · 03-01-2012, 11:53 AM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...content_stream

After spending the first 14 years of his NFL career in Indianapolis, could Peyton Manning move to Kansas City?

Sometimes we don't write what we think because there's not much to substantiate it. Cool. Now that this issue has been resolved, it's time to discuss a sensible suitor for arguably the greatest quarterback of our generation.

Peyton's Place?

Why? Because, due to a slip of the tongue, the Kansas City Chiefs are getting some run in the Peyton Manning sweepstakes -- a potential pairing that should have been mentioned weeks ago. Kansas City, at least in my mind, has always been the best destination for Manning. There just haven't been many facts to go on. Yet, there is circumstantial evidence.

Before listing the reasons the multi-time MVP should be playing at Arrowhead this fall, perhaps it's important to rank what constitutes a good fit between any megastar and a new address:

1. Availability: Obviously, the player has to be attainable. (And Manning should be, barring an Irsay surprise of Mayflower truck proportions.)

2. Organizational leeway: Funds, or at least the wherewithal to generate discretionary funds.

3. Ancillary parts to attract the player: In this case, weapons outside, a good running back, possibly a defense, mostly ... some chance in hell of winning.

4. A great place to play: Call this "The Anti-Veterans Stadium Principle."

5. Familiarity: Be it the player's familiarity with the front office (and vice versa) or the area.

For Manning and the Chiefs, this list reads: 1) check, 2) check, 3) check, 4) check, and 5) check.

Starting in inverse order, the Chiefs are certainly familiar with Manning, as Crennel and Pioli faced him numerous times while with the New England Patriots. Arrowhead Stadium is one of the loudest locales in pro football, and the passion of the fans in Kansas City make it a great place to play, particularly for a veteran player.

Meanwhile the Chiefs have an emerging young talent in Jon Baldwin, a decent receiver in Steve Breaston, and -- providing he's franchised (it's looking that way) -- the productive Dwayne Bowe. Throw in Jamaal Charles and Tony Moeaki returning from injury, and an improving defense ... Well, as you can see, K.C. clearly has the ancillary parts.

On to "organizational leeway," which can mean several things, but usually it applies to available dough and the willingness to spend it. The Chiefs finished over $20 million under the cap in 2011, and per the new CBA rules, can roll it over to his year to add to their already abundant cap space. Done and done. They have the means, whereas the New York Jets -- even after restructuring D'Brickashaw Ferguson's contract -- do not. That leads us to other organizational-leeway issues for alleged Manning suitors:

Arizona Cardinals: What to do with Kevin Kolb and his sizeable contract? Junk the experiment after one year and a foot injury? Maybe. ... But doubtful. I like the Chiefs better.

Miami Dolphins: Will Owner Stephen Ross insist on Manning over Matt Flynn, despite Miami's lack of stability at the position for over a decade, and the fact the Colts star might only play two more years? And despite the fact that Joe Philbin already knows Flynn (who's a ripe 26 years old) backwards and forwards? Still like the Chiefs better.

Washington Redskins: They would surely sign Reggie Wayne to help land Manning (they sorely need WR help anyway). And Mike Shanahan is not on a 20-year contract. However, much like Miami, quarterback is an interminable issue for this franchise. Signing Manning would be a band-aid. Still like the Chiefs better.

Seattle Seahawks: The Seahawks aren't into band-aids at this point. "I just know if you panic at the position, it can set the organization back. So we're not going to do that," GM John Schneider said last week. There you go.

And then there are the Indianapolis Colts, who obviously control issue No. 1 (player availability) for matching a megastar to a team.

While Owner Jim Irsay has far from ruled out Manning's return to the organization, tweet salvos and the mano-a-mano nature of "He's not healthy" ... "Yes I am" has played out enough over the last several weeks to merit speculation of the quarterback's departure. The big elephant in the room is the $28 million roster bonus due on March 8, and how much Manning would be willing to restructure his deal, thus doing Indy a solid. To that end, Irsay had this to say to SI.com's Don Banks recently:

"That's the last he'd want to do for this team, put us in that kind of salary cap situation," Irsay said. "He wants to come back and he wants to win. I should say I assume he wants to come back. With Peyton, sometimes you never know ... I think he has some real comfort in the idea of finishing his career here, but I think he's conflicted perhaps given the circumstances. We'll find out soon."

Yes, Manning is surely conflicted, perhaps most by something Irsay mentioned in that very quote. He wants to win.

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That's going to be tough, considering several of the Colts' key players are free agents. You know the list: Wayne, Jeff Saturday, Robert Mathis, Pierre Garcon and so on. Secondly, the new head coach is a rookie head coach. And while most Colts fans welcome the change from Jim Caldwell, Chuck Pagano hasn't proven anything yet. Not to mention, Peyton will likely have to compete for his own job. Maybe not this year, but how long will new management sit a guy like Andrew Luck if Manning delivers a Wild Card loss, like the last time he played? Fair? No. Life in the NFL? Yes.

So of course Manning is conflicted. Why not go to a team that already knows the potential of its own quarterback, i.e. knows Manning is a clear upgrade (Chiefs)? Why not go to a team that -- barring every important guy going on IR -- has the parts to compete in its conference now (Chiefs)? Why not go to a team that, despite how little this might mean to Manning at this stage of his career, can afford to pay him what he deserves (Chiefs)?

Peyton's likely to don new colors in 2012. And it certainly will be awkward to see the Colts icon in a foreign uniform. But at least Manning could avoid having to pay a teammate on his new club for the rights to No. 18.

After all, nobody on the Chiefs wears that number.

jd1020 · 03-01-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by huskerdooz

Wrong. Lenny was #16. So was Joe in SF.

He never mentioned what number Dawson wore.

But, IIRC, Dawson offered his number to Montana and it was Montana that said no.

Okie_Apparition · 03-01-2012, 01:39 PM

Signing Manning is going to make alot of that cap room go away
Cassel should be cut & shouldn't want to stay
He does have some balls

Carlota69 · 03-01-2012, 01:39 PM

Billick thinks we are one of 3 teams that make sense...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/p...t-sense-030112

Carlota69 · 03-01-2012, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by huskerdooz

Wrong. Lenny was #16. So was Joe in SF.

Whoops!

**Dartgod** · 03-01-2012, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by huskerdooz

Wrong. Lenny was #16. So was Joe in SF.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClearmontChief

Ah, Lenny wore 16...

I don't think he was saying that Lenny wore #18. Just that 18 is also retired. Emmitt Thomas

jd1020 · 03-01-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

I don't think he was saying that Lenny wore #18. Just that 18 is also retired. Emmitt Thomas

18 was clearly Samie Parkers number.

Wallcrawler · 03-01-2012, 01:51 PM

In regard to Jersey Numbers, there's just some that are off limits.

One of my biggest gripes in Madden is signing a LB and then going into the game and seeing a #58 out there.

It shouldnt bother me, and I have friends that dont even care about it, but I end up quitting the game, going into roster and changing the number, bitching about the stupid game and its failure to recognize retired numbers.

I thought it was damn cool of Joe Montana to decline the offer to wear 16.

Okie_Apparition · 03-01-2012, 01:53 PM

First Down Manning

vailpass · 03-01-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by swayy07

sign manning and let him groom RGIII/Tanhill as QBOTF that's a win/win

**Easy 6** · 03-01-2012, 01:58 PM

I'm really quite torn on the Manning issue... on one hand, its easy for me to look back at the Montana days & wonder if Peyton could duplicate or top them, which is certainly possible given that he'd be working with MUCH better receivers & te's than Joe.

But, i also want a TRUE QBOTF... the young hotshot 'born & raised' in KC, able to take us into the next 10-13 years and theres always the issue of Mannings neck, how many games might we actually get out of him & how close to his old greatness will he be?

So, so torn...

InChiefsHeaven · 03-01-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

If they sign Manning, Bowe and Soliai in the offseason.....they can pick whatever they ****ing want at #11.

And really....I'd want to see how Stanzi could develop for a year or two under Manning.

Hell yes. plenty of upside to this as long as Payton is healthy. He could give us 2 to 3 seasons of competitive possibly championship football, all while training the young man to take over.

**Rausch** · 03-01-2012, 02:02 PM

I can't even begin to state how much I loathe Payed-a-ton.

Imon Yourside · 03-01-2012, 02:03 PM

Sign him up, oh and shit just got real.

Lex Luthor · 03-01-2012, 02:18 PM

I'm not torn on this at all. I say "Why the hell not?".

What the Chiefs have been doing for the last 20 years hasn't been working. The Chiefs don't have a quarterback of the future. They also don't have a quarterback of the present.

There is NO risk to signing Peyton Manning. They don't have to give up any players. If they sign him and it turns out he can't play, they are no worse off than if they don't sign him. Either way we would start a mediocre quarterback next year.

But if they sign him AND he turns out be healthy enough to be 90% of what he used to be, then it would be a brilliant move and they'd be instant Super Bowl contenders.

Who cares if Peyton won't be here 5 years from now?

**BossChief** · 03-01-2012, 02:21 PM

From Clark Hunts standpoint, he has to be pushing this along a little.

He spent all that money to offer more luxury boxes and other stuff to the stadium only to have it be only filled to 2/3 capacity and close to empty luxury boxes (owners get 100% of revenue from luxuryboxes) signing Peyton would allow him to fill the stadium to capacity every week, sell out season tickets, charge wharever he would want for the boxes...jersey sales, local tv contracts.

It's simply a move that almost has to happen because it just makes too much sense.

A move like signing Peyton Manning clears Pioli of ALL candy wrapper incidents and would be the most exciting move the Chiefs have made in my lifetime.

03-01-2012, 11:53 AM
ClearmontChief Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Glenwood, Iowa Casino cash: $9934930	Perfect Fit for Manning http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...content_stream After spending the first 14 years of his NFL career in Indianapolis, could Peyton Manning move to Kansas City? Sometimes we don't write what we think because there's not much to substantiate it. Cool. Now that this issue has been resolved, it's time to discuss a sensible suitor for arguably the greatest quarterback of our generation. Peyton's Place? Why? Because, due to a slip of the tongue, the Kansas City Chiefs are getting some run in the Peyton Manning sweepstakes -- a potential pairing that should have been mentioned weeks ago. Kansas City, at least in my mind, has always been the best destination for Manning. There just haven't been many facts to go on. Yet, there is circumstantial evidence. Before listing the reasons the multi-time MVP should be playing at Arrowhead this fall, perhaps it's important to rank what constitutes a good fit between any megastar and a new address: 1. Availability: Obviously, the player has to be attainable. (And Manning should be, barring an Irsay surprise of Mayflower truck proportions.) 2. Organizational leeway: Funds, or at least the wherewithal to generate discretionary funds. 3. Ancillary parts to attract the player: In this case, weapons outside, a good running back, possibly a defense, mostly ... some chance in hell of winning. 4. A great place to play: Call this "The Anti-Veterans Stadium Principle." 5. Familiarity: Be it the player's familiarity with the front office (and vice versa) or the area. For Manning and the Chiefs, this list reads: 1) check, 2) check, 3) check, 4) check, and 5) check. Starting in inverse order, the Chiefs are certainly familiar with Manning, as Crennel and Pioli faced him numerous times while with the New England Patriots. Arrowhead Stadium is one of the loudest locales in pro football, and the passion of the fans in Kansas City make it a great place to play, particularly for a veteran player. Meanwhile the Chiefs have an emerging young talent in Jon Baldwin, a decent receiver in Steve Breaston, and -- providing he's franchised (it's looking that way) -- the productive Dwayne Bowe. Throw in Jamaal Charles and Tony Moeaki returning from injury, and an improving defense ... Well, as you can see, K.C. clearly has the ancillary parts. On to "organizational leeway," which can mean several things, but usually it applies to available dough and the willingness to spend it. The Chiefs finished over $20 million under the cap in 2011, and per the new CBA rules, can roll it over to his year to add to their already abundant cap space. Done and done. They have the means, whereas the New York Jets -- even after restructuring D'Brickashaw Ferguson's contract -- do not. That leads us to other organizational-leeway issues for alleged Manning suitors: Arizona Cardinals: What to do with Kevin Kolb and his sizeable contract? Junk the experiment after one year and a foot injury? Maybe. ... But doubtful. I like the Chiefs better. Miami Dolphins: Will Owner Stephen Ross insist on Manning over Matt Flynn, despite Miami's lack of stability at the position for over a decade, and the fact the Colts star might only play two more years? And despite the fact that Joe Philbin already knows Flynn (who's a ripe 26 years old) backwards and forwards? Still like the Chiefs better. Washington Redskins: They would surely sign Reggie Wayne to help land Manning (they sorely need WR help anyway). And Mike Shanahan is not on a 20-year contract. However, much like Miami, quarterback is an interminable issue for this franchise. Signing Manning would be a band-aid. Still like the Chiefs better. Seattle Seahawks: The Seahawks aren't into band-aids at this point. "I just know if you panic at the position, it can set the organization back. So we're not going to do that," GM John Schneider said last week. There you go. And then there are the Indianapolis Colts, who obviously control issue No. 1 (player availability) for matching a megastar to a team. While Owner Jim Irsay has far from ruled out Manning's return to the organization, tweet salvos and the mano-a-mano nature of "He's not healthy" ... "Yes I am" has played out enough over the last several weeks to merit speculation of the quarterback's departure. The big elephant in the room is the $28 million roster bonus due on March 8, and how much Manning would be willing to restructure his deal, thus doing Indy a solid. To that end, Irsay had this to say to SI.com's Don Banks recently: "That's the last he'd want to do for this team, put us in that kind of salary cap situation," Irsay said. "He wants to come back and he wants to win. I should say I assume he wants to come back. With Peyton, sometimes you never know ... I think he has some real comfort in the idea of finishing his career here, but I think he's conflicted perhaps given the circumstances. We'll find out soon." Yes, Manning is surely conflicted, perhaps most by something Irsay mentioned in that very quote. He wants to win. Harrison: Substantial subplots As we head into the spring, Elliot Harrison provides eight intriguing storylines emerging for the 2012 campaign. More ... That's going to be tough, considering several of the Colts' key players are free agents. You know the list: Wayne, Jeff Saturday, Robert Mathis, Pierre Garcon and so on. Secondly, the new head coach is a rookie head coach. And while most Colts fans welcome the change from Jim Caldwell, Chuck Pagano hasn't proven anything yet. Not to mention, Peyton will likely have to compete for his own job. Maybe not this year, but how long will new management sit a guy like Andrew Luck if Manning delivers a Wild Card loss, like the last time he played? Fair? No. Life in the NFL? Yes. So of course Manning is conflicted. Why not go to a team that already knows the potential of its own quarterback, i.e. knows Manning is a clear upgrade (Chiefs)? Why not go to a team that -- barring every important guy going on IR -- has the parts to compete in its conference now (Chiefs)? Why not go to a team that, despite how little this might mean to Manning at this stage of his career, can afford to pay him what he deserves (Chiefs)? Peyton's likely to don new colors in 2012. And it certainly will be awkward to see the Colts icon in a foreign uniform. But at least Manning could avoid having to pay a teammate on his new club for the rights to No. 18. After all, nobody on the Chiefs wears that number.
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03-01-2012, 02:18 PM	#59
Lex Luthor MVP Join Date: Mar 2010 Casino cash: $10022775	I'm not torn on this at all. I say "Why the hell not?". What the Chiefs have been doing for the last 20 years hasn't been working. The Chiefs don't have a quarterback of the future. *They also don't have a quarterback of the present.* There is NO risk to signing Peyton Manning. They don't have to give up any players. If they sign him and it turns out he can't play, they are no worse off than if they don't sign him. Either way we would start a mediocre quarterback next year. But if they sign him AND he turns out be healthy enough to be 90% of what he used to be, then it would be a brilliant move and they'd be instant Super Bowl contenders. Who cares if Peyton won't be here 5 years from now?
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1354088	From Clark Hunts standpoint, he has to be pushing this along a little. He spent all that money to offer more luxury boxes and other stuff to the stadium only to have it be only filled to 2/3 capacity and close to empty luxury boxes (owners get 100% of revenue from luxuryboxes) signing Peyton would allow him to fill the stadium to capacity every week, sell out season tickets, charge wharever he would want for the boxes...jersey sales, local tv contracts. It's simply a move that almost has to happen because it just makes too much sense. A move like signing Peyton Manning clears Pioli of ALL candy wrapper incidents and would be the most exciting move the Chiefs have made in my lifetime. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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