Football Who do you hate more? - Page 4

Ebolapox · 10-11-2012, 04:16 PM

this is personal. I ****ing hate them both.

**Rain Man** · 10-11-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

From what I've read of your business dealings and how you're such a great business man, I would've thought you'd be a guy that would accept Elway's business decision.

What he did certainly helped his personal bank account in the long run, and it gave him better stats than he would've had. Getting to play for a playoff team right out the chute is a huge advantage, as we saw with other guys like Marino and Roethlisberger.

However, a person also has an ethical obligation to their industry. We can all make more money if we do things that cause long-term damage to our fields, and that's what Elway did.

In my field, I can provide good service for a fair price, and I can look out for my clients' best interest, and I can do well. I could make more money if I ripped clients off, if I overcharged them whenever possible, and if I convinced them to use more expensive options than they need. But that's bad for my field in the long run, and I have an ethical obligation to create an environment where future generations in my field can enjoy the trust that my work created.

Elway said, 'screw future generations'. He said, 'I don't care about the future of the game. I want to make as much money as I can and do what gives me the greatest advantage, and if it's bad for the sport, what do I care?' The best thing about what he did is that only a small handful of players have had the same callous and selfish attitude - Bo Jackson, Kelly Stouffer, and Eli Manning.

Rasputin · 10-12-2012, 07:09 PM

Piololi is a bigger threat to keep us from ever winning a Super Bowl than Elfway is. **** I can give a **** about Elfway taking charge of the Donkies he isn't a threat to hold us back or make them Super Bowl champs themselves. Pioli OTOH is keeping us from our dreams and hopes from achieving even a playoff win. We keep getting our asses kicked because of Pioli not Horseyface. I hate them both equally I just hate Pioli more equally for different reasons.

listopencil · 10-12-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

stuff

Elway threw off the shackles of an owner dominated entertainment industry and struck a blow for personal freedom. He said," **** the man. I am the man." And the entire world shook, then gave in. I understand why you fear and loathe him.

Capitalist pig.

Racist.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-12-2012, 07:27 PM

Ricky Stanzi

Lex Luthor · 10-12-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

SO YOU THINK IT'S OKAY FOR A PLAYER TO PLACE HIMSELF ABOVE THE GAME? YOU THINK IT'S OKAY FOR PLAYERS TO FORCE THEMSELVES ONTO STRONGER TEAMS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BEGIN THEIR CAREER ON A WEAK TEAM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BETTER FOR THE SPORT TO HAVE THE WEAK TEAMS GETTING MORE HELP? YOU THINK IT'S FINE FOR A PLAYER TO MILK THE SPORT OF MONEY WHILE DAMAGING ITS VERY FOUNDATIONS BY TRYING TO DAMAGING PARITY BETWEEN TEAMS? YOU THINK ALL THAT IS OKAY? YOU THINK ALL THAT IS FINE?

(Wiping a bit of flying spittle from mouth.)

Actually, I thought Elway's motivation was that he didn't want to play for Frank Kush, who was a real asshole. He had leverage of threatening to play baseball instead of football, and he used it. I never had a problem with it. I would have done the same thing if I had been in Elway's position, and I suspect you would have too.

I think saying that Elway damaged the very foundation of the NFL is a bit of a stretch.

Lex Luthor · 10-12-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Elway said, 'screw future generations'. He said, 'I don't care about the future of the game. I want to make as much money as I can and do what gives me the greatest advantage, and if it's bad for the sport, what do I care?' The best thing about what he did is that only a small handful of players have had the same callous and selfish attitude - Bo Jackson, Kelly Stouffer, and Eli Manning.

That's funny, I don't recall Elway ever saying that.

I think you never understood why Elway didn't want to play for the Colts, and as a result you've wasted all these years hating a guy who didn't really do anything wrong. It wasn't about money. It wasn't about wanting to play for a better team. It was about refusing to play for a sadistic asshole who got fired at Arizona State for punching a player and then attempting to sabotage the investigation by intimidating the witnesses.

Sonic Cowboy-Raider · 10-12-2012, 08:02 PM

My own salute to each & every one of you

**chasedude** · 10-12-2012, 10:12 PM

After much thought in seeing this thread, I've just now decided to vote... Elway.

I've hated his Horse Face for YEARS, much longer than Pioli. Elway ****ed us over more than a Decade, Pioli's only done it for a few years.

They can both lick my taint but that jackass Elway can rot in a shallow grave first.

Imon Yourside · 10-12-2012, 11:13 PM

Elway and it shouldn't even be up for debate, I almost wish bad things on him.

**007** · 10-13-2012, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Pioli easily. Think about it ****ing Cassel should have been a ****ing Denver Bronco.

Yes, he damn well should have. Too bad Pioli had to jump all over him before McDaniels could.

clyde05 · 10-13-2012, 02:44 AM

I wish Clark Hunt paid attention to his fans, not saying we are always right but you always have to keep your customers happy to be successful. This poll shows me how much hatred the fans have for Pioli and deservedly so,when you hate your own gm more then hof division rival. Pioli needs to be gone ASAP!

Lex Luthor · 10-14-2012, 10:28 PM

Hating an opposing player just because he's a great player who kicks your team's ass is really kind of silly. If Elway had played for the Chiefs, you guys would be building statues to him.

Hating a general manager who is totally screwing up your franchise and making your team irrelevant makes perfect sense.

View Poll Results: who do you despise the most?
John Elway	55	36.67%
Scott Pioli	95	63.33%
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10-12-2012, 10:12 PM	#53
chasedude Supporter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Joe Casino cash: $10004900	After much thought in seeing this thread, I've just now decided to vote... Elway. I've hated his Horse Face for YEARS, much longer than Pioli. Elway ****ed us over more than a Decade, Pioli's only done it for a few years. They can both lick my taint but that jackass Elway can rot in a shallow grave first.
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10-12-2012, 11:13 PM	#54
Imon Yourside WhatUneed2Hear Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: AllSoulsMatter Casino cash: $2373181	Elway and it shouldn't even be up for debate, I almost wish bad things on him. __________________ "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" Peter 5:8 "Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay" Isaiah 29:16 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:20
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10-13-2012, 02:44 AM	#56
clyde05 Arrowhead Rowdies Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Palm Harbor, Florida Casino cash: $10005269	I wish Clark Hunt paid attention to his fans, not saying we are always right but you always have to keep your customers happy to be successful. This poll shows me how much hatred the fans have for Pioli and deservedly so,when you hate your own gm more then hof division rival. Pioli needs to be gone ASAP! __________________
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10-14-2012, 10:28 PM	#57
Lex Luthor MVP Join Date: Mar 2010 Casino cash: $10022775	*Hating* an opposing player just because he's a great player who kicks your team's ass is really kind of silly. If Elway had played for the Chiefs, you guys would be building statues to him. Hating a general manager who is totally screwing up your franchise and making your team irrelevant makes perfect sense.
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