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Old 10-29-2012, 10:28 AM  
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Hurricane does not stop sentinels at Tomb of the Unknown Soldier
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:36 PM   #46
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I have a theory that the same thing is eventually going to happen with our Western concept of respect. At some point in the future, it will be an extinct idea to feel or hold "respect" for another human being.

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Old 10-29-2012, 12:37 PM   #47
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They guard the tomb out of respect, Mr. KC Fish. There really isn't any more to it than that and they require no other reason.

But I fear that, as time goes on, the concept of respect becomes stranger and makes less sense to more people. In fact, I would venture to say that respect is something that few people truly understand anymore.

You know, the ancient Greeks had this extremely important concept called "sophrosyne". Unfortunately, that word can no longer be translated by any single English word.

This quality, "sophrosyne" was, to the Greeks, an ideal second to none in importance. But it is no longer counted among our ideals. We have simply lost the conception of it. We can sort of describe its parts (after a fashion), but we cannot name it or properly define it. It is a human quality that, once revered, no longer exists.

I have a theory that the same thing is eventually going to happen with our Western concept of respect. At some point in the future, it will be an extinct idea to feel or hold "respect" for another human being.

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Old 10-29-2012, 12:38 PM   #48
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I served with a guy who had that assignment....it is nothing short of incredible.
I have an old friend that used to be a Tomb guard. He had a big part in my joining the Army when I did.
The way he describes it the attention to detail not just on their uniforms but in each and every movement they make while on guard is truly incredible.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:38 PM   #49
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Guarding the unknown tomb is such an amazing and honored tradition. Here is photos of The Old Guard as they watch over the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier during hurricane Irene:





For those that don't know, Soldiers of “The Old Guard” maintain a 24-hour vigil at the Tomb of the Unknowns (Tomb of the Unknown Soldier), provide military funeral escorts at Arlington National Cemetery and participate in parades at Fort Myer and Fort Lesley J. McNair.


“While on duty the Tomb Sentinel crosses a 63-foot rubber surfaced walkway in exactly 21 steps. He then faces the Tomb for 21 seconds, turns again, and pauses an additional 21 seconds before retracing his steps.

The 21 is symbolic of the highest salute according to dignitaries in military and state ceremonies.”

Awesome.

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Old 10-29-2012, 12:43 PM   #50
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It's not the idea of respect, it's the idea that THAT is how respect manifests itself
Yeah, I think this is where my confusion rests.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:44 PM   #52
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I have an old friend that used to be a Tomb guard. He had a big part in my joining the Army when I did.
The way he describes it the attention to detail not just on their uniforms but in each and every movement they make while on guard is truly incredible.


I had the same experience....taps on the shoes, etc.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:47 PM   #53
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This is one military tradition that I've never really understood. I have all the respect in the world for our military force. But why make these poor guys stand motionless out there in bad weather? What point does that make? We all know these guys are dedicated and committed, and a helluva lot tougher than me. But this just seems completely unnecessary. What if a hurricane hits them out there? Should we really risk their lives just to make a point about how tough and committed they are?

Sorry, no disrespect to soldiers. I just can't understand how this is justified these days.
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Yeah, I think this is where my confusion rests.
What do you want them to do, just put up a plaque that everyone will ignore?
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Can I get some background info here? Who's the Unknown Soldier?


Filed under questions even I wouldn't ask.

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Old 10-29-2012, 01:00 PM   #56
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I ride through Arlington National Cemetery at least once every 3-4 months. It is a humbling experience
If you've lost someone dear to you in a war, the Tomb and the Cemetery are sometimes difficult to take. Tears come from nowhere. Uncontrollable emotion. Great sadness. Unspeakable gratitude.

It's a powerful place. I'm glad its there, but I have a very hard time going there.

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What do you want them to do, just put up a plaque that everyone will ignore?
No. But I would expect some sort of service for these respected fellows in which the enjoyment of their work day didn't depend on the weather. One in which they wouldn't be expected to stand outside in potentially dangerous hurricane weather. I would have guessed that the most respected and revered of our servicemen would deserve better conditions than that for the recognition of their efforts and sacrifice for our country. But I don't know anything about it, which is why I asked..
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No. But I would expect some sort of service for these respected fellows in which the enjoyment of their work day didn't depend on the weather. One in which they wouldn't be expected to stand outside in potentially dangerous hurricane weather. I would have guessed that the most respected and revered of our servicemen would deserve better conditions than that for the recognition of their efforts and sacrifice for our country. But I don't know anything about it, which is why I asked..
Sometimes it helps looking at it another way. Were they to leave the Tomb unattended, to those men it would feel like abandonment or desertion. They know that those remains could be anyone and they represent everyone.

To leave would be to dishonor their memory.

Therefore, no leaving.

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No. But I would expect some sort of service for these respected fellows in which the enjoyment of their work day didn't depend on the weather. One in which they wouldn't be expected to stand outside in potentially dangerous hurricane weather. I would have guessed that the most respected and revered of our servicemen would deserve better conditions than that for the recognition of their efforts and sacrifice for our country. But I don't know anything about it, which is why I asked..
revolutionary soldiers endured extremely harsh winter weather..adverse conditions do not override the call to duty...in fact, they demand it...

....the day we fail to remember those who have given their life for something bigger than themselves, is the day we lose our soul as a Nation.

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What if they just sat in their car or something? They would still be there for all technical purposes.

I'm just kidding. it's really cool what they do.
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