Chiefs Gretz weighs in on the GM situation - Page 4

FloridaMan88 · 12-30-2012, 09:19 PM

Another solid write-up from Bob Gretz (hell must have frozen over for me to type that):

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...lark-hunt.html

Column: Defining Moment Ahead For Clark Hunt

I would not begin to even think that I could read the mind of Clark Hunt and what his plans are for the Hunt Family football team.

Chiefs Nation has their fingers, toes, even eyes crossed that New Year’s Eve 2012 will be the moment when the madness and losing of the Pioli Era will end and a new future will be laid out for the football team.

Two months ago, my personal opinion was that Hunt didn’t have the guts to admit his mistake and fire Pioli. Now, after everything that happened with his franchise over the last four months, I’m not sure Hunt has the guts not to make a big change. How could he possibly ignore what’s gone down with the Chiefs and why they are the NFL’s worst team in 2012?

Well, let me assure you he can, and he might. I don’t think it’s a lead-pipe cinch that the hurricane of change roils through the franchise. The fans and media think that Hunt has to be embarrassed and angry with the performance of his team on the field under Pioli’s direction. They are now 23-42 after losing Sunday in Denver, some 19 games under .500 and far removed from being a championship contender.

I do believe Hunt wants a winning team. What I don’t know, and we all don’t know, is just how important winning is on his radar screen. There may be other areas and avenues of the organization that rank higher on his list of goals. That remains a mystery.

Or, at least it will be in the shadows until he explains what his immediate plans are for the organization. If he keeps Pioli, it will provide everyone with an emphatic answer that winning is not the most important item on his agenda.

A 2-14 season cries out for some sort of reply from ownership. Firing/retiring Romeo Crennel is not going to be a big enough change. There’s no question the Chiefs coaching staff was not a strong one and that doesn’t just fall at the feet of Crennel, not in an organization where Pioli has his finger in every pie and the willingness to overrule any notion that is not his.

For four years now, we have seen that this fish rots from the head down. Now, Clark Hunt will show us if he was the problem ahead of Pioli.

The immediate future of the team depends on what he decides. This is not just a move about changing the names in the office directory. This franchise must reconnect with its fans. There needs to be profound change in the way business is conducted by the Kansas City Chiefs Football Club, Inc.

A red and gold nation awaits a moment where Clark Hunt makes a decision that shows he understands and he has listened.

But, don’t be surprised if he says he does understand and has listened but is going to keep his general manager while sacrificing his head coach.

Anything is possible.

**dirk digler** · 12-30-2012, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Why be a part of a community when you can just suck cash out of them and live it up somewhere else. Not giving a shit about winning.

Yep that sounds like the Hunt family.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

You live in Clinton. If you had a billion dollars and bought the team, would you move to Kansas City or stay where you are now.

Move to nice condo on the Plaza or a big house up North

**SAUTO** · 12-30-2012, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Why be a part of a community when you can just suck cash out of them and live it up somewhere else. Not giving a shit about winning.

Again being a part of the community has absolutely nothing to do with winning.

You seem to be trying to equate the two
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**SAUTO** · 12-30-2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

You won't have any idea how it would feel if the Chiefs were winners with Clark at the helm.

You must just be ****ing stupid dude.

My feelings about where he lives wouldn't change. I know that for a fact
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|Zach| · 12-30-2012, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

You must just be ****ing stupid dude.

My feelings about where he lives wouldn't change. I know that for a fact
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Companies start at the top. The culture is built and trickles down.

The organization is in KC but the man is in Dallas.

We have been abject failures. It would be nice if someone was here every day working on building an organization that wants to win.

But here were are Jason. You and me. Talking about a hypothetical where we are fans of a winning football team. Maybe some day it will be reality. Probably not.

**SAUTO** · 12-30-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Companies start at the top. The culture is built and trickles down.

The organization is in KC but the man is in Dallas.

We have been abject failures. It would be nice if someone was here every day working on building an organization that wants to win.

But here were are Jason. You and me. Talking about a hypothetical where we are fans of a winning football team. Maybe some day it will be reality. Probably not.

and still I would not ****ing care where he lives.that's the point. You must just like to spew bullshit.

That was a post full of nothing
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|Zach| · 12-30-2012, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

and still I would not ****ing care where he lives.that's the point. You must just like to spew bullshit.

That was a post full of nothing
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You are saying you won't care when we win...I am saying...we won't win.

Why oh why would you think this Hunt owned team would be winners?

**dirk digler** · 12-30-2012, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

and still I would not ****ing care where he lives.that's the point. You must just like to spew bullshit.

That was a post full of nothing
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I think his point is Jason is that since they are an abject failure (Royals and Chiefs) the owners need to live here and work here to get the teams turned around. It is about leadership or lack of...

|Zach| · 12-30-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I think his point is Jason is that since they are an abject failure (Royals and Chiefs) the owners need to live here and work here to get the teams turned around. It is about leadership or lack of...

He thinks I am trying to convince them that if they win he should care where they live. He isn't reading my posts.

ChiefsCountry · 12-30-2012, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

and still I would not ****ing care where he lives.that's the point. You must just like to spew bullshit.

That was a post full of nothing
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The damn soccer team has warped his mind about the reality that the NFL is a different beast than MLS. Lower level at Arrowhead is double the size of Livestrong Park, Chiefs have 15 players that make more than the MLS salary cap. Hell the Royals have about 10. Same shit that is pulled at the MLS games wouldn't fly in the NFL or MLB.

|Zach| · 12-30-2012, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The damn soccer team has warped his mind about the reality that the NFL is a different beast than MLS. Lower level at Arrowhead is double the size of Livestrong Park, Chiefs have 15 players that make more than the MLS salary cap. Hell the Royals have about 10. Same shit that is pulled at the MLS games wouldn't fly in the NFL or MLB.

Why do we have to talk about winning in the hypothetical?

How is it you can't see this organization is completely toxic.

Talk shit on MLS all you want. That is fine. The Chiefs are an embarrassment to Kansas City and it all starts with an owner that can't run his own organization.

|Zach| · 12-30-2012, 11:49 PM

Selling soccer in Kansas City = Selling NFL football in KC to ChiefsCountry as well.

**jAZ** · 12-30-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

He kind of alludes to a good point. Up to this point, all of the ire has been pointed at Pioli. If Clark lets Pioli stick around, it's a clear indicator that winning isn't the most important goal he has. At that point, the fans' ire turns to Clark. That's potentially a huge turning point for this franchise.

That doesn't make sense to me.

Pioli has lost both games and fans.

If Clark keeps Pioli, it's not because he is happy with the direction of the francise (either games or $$). But because he still believes Pioli can deliver.

I have defended Pioli about as long as anyone else around here. That said, I don't want him hiring a 3rd coach. His first choice might have been Kirk Farentz all along. I don't much care if he can get his 1st choice now. He seems pretty bad at that part of his job, if nothing else.

**SAUTO** · 12-30-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

He thinks I am trying to convince them that if they win he should care where they live. He isn't reading my posts.

I'm reading them. They just have nothing to do with what our conversation was about.

You have said I don't know or can't say how I would feel if the team ever was a winner. All I have debated is that statement.

You on the other hand are trying to use my post as a platform to make some statement.

Just make a thread and make your statement
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kcfanXIII · 12-31-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Clark's brother and all of his wife's family lives in Kansas City. Dan Glass, David Glass's son, lives in KC. Lets not act like they aren't in the city at all. Shit in David Glass's case he lives right on the Missouri/Arkansas border. Would you be pissed if he lived in Wichita and owned the team? Or Columbia? Or at the Lake of the Ozarks? Because all of them are about the same distance away. Hunt in Dallas is farther for sure, but its not that bad.

I once heard with glass's private jet it takes him about as long to get to the stadium as someone from the far side of olathe driving there. Not sure if there is any truth to that, couldn't imagine it would take too long though.

**DeezNutz** · 12-31-2012, 12:09 AM

Time to the stadium is immaterial. The reason out-of-town ownership sucks shit is that the one who sucks the penis isn't around doing daily shit having to face normal fans and interact with them.

While I think that most people would be cordial, he'd definitely hear about the shit product on the field.

Hanging out in Dallas or Arkansas means that he's removed from all of this.

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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-547094	Another solid write-up from Bob Gretz (hell must have frozen over for me to type that): http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...lark-hunt.html Column: Defining Moment Ahead For Clark Hunt I would not begin to even think that I could read the mind of Clark Hunt and what his plans are for the Hunt Family football team. Chiefs Nation has their fingers, toes, even eyes crossed that New Year’s Eve 2012 will be the moment when the madness and losing of the Pioli Era will end and a new future will be laid out for the football team. Two months ago, my personal opinion was that Hunt didn’t have the guts to admit his mistake and fire Pioli. Now, after everything that happened with his franchise over the last four months, I’m not sure Hunt has the guts not to make a big change. How could he possibly ignore what’s gone down with the Chiefs and why they are the NFL’s worst team in 2012? Well, let me assure you he can, and he might. I don’t think it’s a lead-pipe cinch that the hurricane of change roils through the franchise. The fans and media think that Hunt has to be embarrassed and angry with the performance of his team on the field under Pioli’s direction. They are now 23-42 after losing Sunday in Denver, some 19 games under .500 and far removed from being a championship contender. I do believe Hunt wants a winning team. What I don’t know, and we all don’t know, is just how important winning is on his radar screen. There may be other areas and avenues of the organization that rank higher on his list of goals. That remains a mystery. Or, at least it will be in the shadows until he explains what his immediate plans are for the organization. If he keeps Pioli, it will provide everyone with an emphatic answer that winning is not the most important item on his agenda. A 2-14 season cries out for some sort of reply from ownership. Firing/retiring Romeo Crennel is not going to be a big enough change. There’s no question the Chiefs coaching staff was not a strong one and that doesn’t just fall at the feet of Crennel, not in an organization where Pioli has his finger in every pie and the willingness to overrule any notion that is not his. For four years now, we have seen that this fish rots from the head down. Now, Clark Hunt will show us if he was the problem ahead of Pioli. The immediate future of the team depends on what he decides. This is not just a move about changing the names in the office directory. This franchise must reconnect with its fans. There needs to be profound change in the way business is conducted by the Kansas City Chiefs Football Club, Inc. A red and gold nation awaits a moment where Clark Hunt makes a decision that shows he understands and he has listened. But, don’t be surprised if he says he does understand and has listened but is going to keep his general manager while sacrificing his head coach. Anything is possible.
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