Chiefs Who would you rather have drafting for the Chiefs? - Page 4

**jAZ** · 02-17-2013, 09:54 PM

Dorsey, Reid and Co., or... The collective wisdom of ChiefsPlanet

O.city · 02-19-2013, 08:45 PM

Joe Flacco was a second round graded QB he didn't slip, he was drafted above where he was slotted. . There are two Qb's this year who have first round grades. Yes, it's not early first at this point, but it's a first.

Most first round Qb's don't turn out? Do most LT's? Or Dt's?

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 08:45 PM

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For the most part, you have a completely cohesive group here which all has the same thought. Of course, the longer discussion goes on, the more the pre-existing belief is reinforced.

This is just his really eloquent and snarky way to say, AGAIN, that we're all participating in group-think like lemmings.

The whole idea is hilariously stupid.

**wazu** · 02-19-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

wht thread is that? I'l love to see it

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...=204569&page=5

Granted Pioli set the bar pretty low. Maybe John Dorsey will be the one who makes the real Chiefs better than our typical teams. My team is kind of weak compared to some of the others. Rainman is dominating right now with Russel Wilson. I drafted Sanchez and it didn't work, so now probably going with Geno.

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Joe Flacco was a second round graded QB he didn't slip, he was drafted above where he was slotted. . There are two Qb's this year who have first round grades. Yes, it's not early first at this point, but it's a first.

Most first round Qb's don't turn out? Do most LT's? Or Dt's?

14 of the last 15 first round QBs are starting.

The lone exception?

Tim Tebow.

O.city · 02-19-2013, 08:46 PM

We can't complain, we aren't a GM, we don't know shit. Can't complain about officials, they're paid, too smart.

Hammock Parties · 02-19-2013, 08:49 PM

I didn't even pay attention to Geno Smith until that game against Baylor.

I saw that and was like "Whoa, holy shit, a gold-toof dawg be descendin' from da heavens."

Then I found this awesome thread on CP about all his jive-throwin' ways and was like "roll anutha blunt."

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

I didn't even pay attention to Geno Smith until that game against Baylor.

I saw that and was like "Whoa, holy shit, a gold-toof dawg be descendin' from da heavens."

Then I found this awesome thread on CP about all his jive-throwin' ways and was like "roll anutha blunt."

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 08:51 PM

The first game I saw was the Pinstripe Bowl. I though he looked kinda like Vince Young out there. We need Vince Young.

**wazu** · 02-19-2013, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The first game I saw was the Pinstripe Bowl. I though he looked kinda like Vince Young out there. We need Vince Young.

They are practically the same guy.

Exoter175 · 02-19-2013, 08:57 PM

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HotCarl · 02-19-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Joe Flacco was a second round graded QB he didn't slip, he was drafted above where he was slotted. . There are two Qb's this year who have first round grades. Yes, it's not early first at this point, but it's a first.

Most first round Qb's don't turn out? Do most LT's? Or Dt's?

Fair enough, for the sake of argument let's say Flacco is a contrary example. You'd also have Brees you could add to this group.

If we peel off those which are significantly special examples like Peyton and Eli to try to normalize things, I don't think we see the correlation we typically hear about. Brady was a low round pick, but we can't really count that as normalized either, because he was essentially a winning lottery ticket.

I agree that it's a bit of an argument from silence. The Brady super bowls cloud the numbers for the last 10 or 15 years, and trying to normalize beyond the super-elite super-minority clouds it further.

Here are all the 1st round QBs since 2000.

Chad Pennington
Michael Vick
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman ^
Eli Manning *
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger *
J.P. Losman
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers *
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
Jamarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco *
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Cam Newton
Jake Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
Ryan Tannehill
Brandon Weeden

Apologies if I missed anything.

There we have 30-some guys, and only 4 have won Super Bowls in the 12 contested since then.

So the success rate of these guys, almost all of whom were generally accepted
first round picks, is about 1 in 10.

Other than a Manning, we have only Roethlisberger, Flacco, and Rodgers among 1st rounders winning Super Bowls. And those guys were all middle-late first, weren't they?

Outside of a few no-brainer choices, the picture isn't very clear. That's all I am pointing out.

O.city · 02-19-2013, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HotCarl

Fair enough, for the sake of argument let's say Flacco is a contrary example. You'd also have Brees you could add to this group.

If we peel off those which are significantly special examples like Peyton and Eli to try to normalize things, I don't think we see the correlation we typically hear about. Brady was a low round pick, but we can't really count that as normalized either, because he was essentially a winning lottery ticket.

I agree that it's a bit of an argument from silence. The Brady super bowls cloud the numbers for the last 10 or 15 years, and trying to normalize beyond the super-elite super-minority clouds it further.

Here are all the 1st round QBs since 2000.

Chad Pennington
Michael Vick
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman ^
Eli Manning *
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger *
J.P. Losman
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers *
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
Jamarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco *
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Cam Newton
Jake Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
Ryan Tannehill
Brandon Weeden

Apologies if I missed anything.

There we have 30-some guys, and only 4 have won Super Bowls in the 12 contested since then.

So the success rate of these guys, almost all of whom were generally accepted
first round picks, is about 1 in 10.

Other than a Manning, we have only Roethlisberger, Flacco, and Rodgers among 1st rounders winning Super Bowls. And those guys were all middle-late first, weren't they?

Outside of a few no-brainer choices, the picture isn't very clear. That's all I am pointing out.

Ironic because the top Qb's this year are hailed as middle late first round grades.

But yes, there are alot of them and the success rate is 1 and 10. But look at what it is for 2-UDFA. It's astronomically lower.

HotCarl · 02-19-2013, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Ironic because the top Qb's this year are hailed as middle late first round grades.

There you go, we should trade down until we get into the 20s.

Hammock Parties · 02-19-2013, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The first game I saw was the Pinstripe Bowl. I though he looked kinda like Vince Young out there. We need Vince Young.

STOP THIS MADNESS

We need to ban ALL the trolls, CLOSE registration and lock this forum from outsiders until the draft is over.

The only way we can get through this without LOSING OUR ****ING MINDS is by huddling together in one corner for warmth and support until the storm subsides.

And if Geno isn't OURS...WE DRINK.

O.city · 02-19-2013, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HotCarl

There you go, we should trade down until we get into the 20s.

You seem to have this idea that a guy has to be drafted where he is slotted or graded.

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