Current NFL QBs better than Alex Smith

[ILChief]

I've read more than once here by multiple people that Alex Smith is the 30th best QB in the league. So post the 29 you think are better. I personally think he's middle of the pack. Here are the ones I think are better (in no particular order):

Brady
Rodgers
Peyton
Eli
Flacco
Brees
Ryan
Luck
Kaepernick
RG3
Stafford
Wilson
Newton
Roethlesberger


Smith belongs here or close to here with Palmer, Cutler, Bradford, Tannehill, Vick, and Rivers

[Ninjafitz]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Okay. Other than INTs what categories is Smith better? Certainly not career completion %, TDs, yards, ypa, etc.

2011 season
Jay Cutler last year 10-5
228 yards per game 23 TDs 16 Int 60.4% completion rating 86.3 Quarterback rating sacked 52 times 4 4th quarter/Game winning drives 3.7% chance he would throw an INT per attempt
Matt Forte ran for 1069 yards 6 Tds
Alex Smith last year 13-3
197 yards per game 17 TDs 5 Int 61.3% completion rating 90.7 Quarterback rating sacked 44 times 6 4th quarter comebacks 1.1% chance he would throw an INT per attempt(best in the league)
Frank Gore ran for 1211 yards 8 TDs

2010/2011 seasons
Alex Smith(19-5-1)
426 completions 663 attempts 64.2 completion percentage 4,881 yards 30 TDs 10 Ints (~200 yards per game) 7.63 yards per attempt 99.2 passer rating

Jay Cutler(17-8)
437 completions 748 attempts 58.4 completion percentage 5,352 yards 32 TDs 21 Ints(214 yards per game) 7.15 yards per attempt 83.1 passer rating


Jay Cutler 2009-2011
43 games 811 Completions 1363 attempts(59% completion) 9718 yards(226 yards per game) 65 Tds 54 Ints(1.51 Tds per game)(1.25 INT per game)
Alex Smith 2009-2011
38 games 722 completions 1185 attempts(61% completion) 8075 yards(213 yards per game) 51 Tds 27 Int (1.34 Tds per game)(.71 INT per game)
so is 13 yards and .17 more TDs more important then .54 more INT per game

Last year (this is without including the stats from the rams game where Alex was 7/8 1 td and 72 yards in 1 quarter)
Alex Smith averaged about 210 yards per game
Jay Cutler averaged about 202 yards per game

Alex Smith averaged 1.5 Tds per game
Jay Cutler averaged about 1.25 Tds per game

Alex Smith completed 70% of his passes
Jay Cutler completed 58.8% of his passes

Alex Smith averaged 7.97 YPA
Jay Cutler averaged 6.99 YPA

Alex Smith averaged .62 Int per game
Jay Cutler averaged .93 Int per game

Alex Smith averaged .375 fumples per game
Jay Cutler averaged .46 fumbles per game

Alex Smith 70.1 QBR
Jay Cutler 51.9 QBR

Alex Smith 104.1 passer rating
Jay Cutler 81.3 passer rating

looks like over the last few years Alex has outperformed Cutler to me. Especially last year where he was statistically better in every category.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by milkman

If I'd been living in a back alley dumpster for the last 5 years and someone threw tent away, which I took to a remote freeway undepass to set up and live in, that's a big upgrade.

My situation is better, but I'm still ****ing homeless.

Cashole was a fumble and INT machine- he Personally lost games for us. Do you honestly think Alex is going to fumble away games, throw lame duck passes up for grabs when the games on the line?

And Brady Quit should Not have even been on our team- he has no heart and skills to match.

Yes I wanted to draft our own- but Alex was the best available and makes our team watchable again.

Lets get behind him.

[KurtCobain]

Originally Posted by milkman

QB rating is the most worthless metric for measuring performance in all of sports.

John Elway, prior to the arrival of Mike Shannahan had a career rating below 80.

Damon Huard was the second highest rated QB in the league in 2007(?).

Yep, real indicative of those QBs.

How the hell did the Donkeys keep sticking with that scrub?

Good question. Elway sucked pre-shanny. Those were good broncos teams and he couldn't take them over the edge.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

We had an almost 0 chance of winning with the pos QB's we have now. If we win 4 games with Smith it is a 100% improvement-lol

So he is our QB now- stop all the hating on the guy until he proves he is not going to win.

Case in point.

Originally Posted by Ninjafitz

2011 season
Jay Cutler last year 10-5
228 yards per game 23 TDs 16 Int 60.4% completion rating 86.3 Quarterback rating sacked 52 times 4 4th quarter/Game winning drives 3.7% chance he would throw an INT per attempt
Matt Forte ran for 1069 yards 6 Tds
Alex Smith last year 13-3
197 yards per game 17 TDs 5 Int 61.3% completion rating 90.7 Quarterback rating sacked 44 times 6 4th quarter comebacks 1.1% chance he would throw an INT per attempt(best in the league)
Frank Gore ran for 1211 yards 8 TDs

2010/2011 seasons
Alex Smith(19-5-1)
426 completions 663 attempts 64.2 completion percentage 4,881 yards 30 TDs 10 Ints (~200 yards per game) 7.63 yards per attempt 99.2 passer rating

Jay Cutler(17-8)
437 completions 748 attempts 58.4 completion percentage 5,352 yards 32 TDs 21 Ints(214 yards per game) 7.15 yards per attempt 83.1 passer rating


Jay Cutler 2009-2011
43 games 811 Completions 1363 attempts(59% completion) 9718 yards(226 yards per game) 65 Tds 54 Ints(1.51 Tds per game)(1.25 INT per game)
Alex Smith 2009-2011
38 games 722 completions 1185 attempts(61% completion) 8075 yards(213 yards per game) 51 Tds 27 Int (1.34 Tds per game)(.71 INT per game)
so is 13 yards and .17 more TDs more important then .54 more INT per game

Last year (this is without including the stats from the rams game where Alex was 7/8 1 td and 72 yards in 1 quarter)
Alex Smith averaged about 210 yards per game
Jay Cutler averaged about 202 yards per game

Alex Smith averaged 1.5 Tds per game
Jay Cutler averaged about 1.25 Tds per game

Alex Smith completed 70% of his passes
Jay Cutler completed 58.8% of his passes

Alex Smith averaged 7.97 YPA
Jay Cutler averaged 6.99 YPA

Alex Smith averaged .62 Int per game
Jay Cutler averaged .93 Int per game

Alex Smith averaged .375 fumples per game
Jay Cutler averaged .46 fumbles per game

Alex Smith 70.1 QBR
Jay Cutler 51.9 QBR

Alex Smith 104.1 passer rating
Jay Cutler 81.3 passer rating

looks like over the last few years Alex has outperformed Cutler to me. Especially last year where he was statistically better in every category.

He said CAREER stats. LEARN TO READ douche nozzle.

[Ninjafitz]

Originally Posted by Sandusksuna

Case in point.


He said CAREER stats. LEARN TO READ douche nozzle.

no shit..............However I used the last 3 years because its more relevent then shit that happened 7-8 years ago. Alex continues to get better and Cutler is basically declining.

[slimdagreat]

Random side note
Numbers this season
Player 1- 3800 yards - 59.7% - 22 TDs - 10 INTs
Player 2 - 4000 yards - 61.1% - 22 TDs - 14 INTs

One of these guys is the highest paid player in NFL history, the other is a guy that most likely will lose his job

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by Messier

Would Smith have lost his job without getting injured? Who knows, but it would've been hard to benchmarking someone playing that well.

Cassels best year was 10-6, and a playoff loss.

Playing well? He is a game manager. He is not suppose to **** up. Thats it. He has a couple great games and people think its the norm. He is trent dilfer. But insteaf of staying on the superbowl team he got traded to a worse/different team and now expected to lead.

It will be a disaster. Hope I am wrong. But doubt it.

[Valiant]

Anyone who thinks alex smith has gotten better does not watch the games. He was handicapped by a smart hc. He wont have that in kc. Its all on him.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by Ninjafitz

no shit..............However I used the last 3 years because its more relevent then shit that happened 7-8 years ago. Alex continues to get better and Cutler is basically declining.

Sigh....LEARN TO READ. You replied to a post that said specifically about CAREER stats and you couldn't produce them. You ignored completely what he said to further an argument that no one brought up. That's stupidity and ignorance.

[Ninjafitz]

Originally Posted by Sandusksuna

Sigh....LEARN TO READ. You replied to a post that said specifically about CAREER stats and you couldn't produce them. You ignored completely what he said to further an argument that no one brought up. That's stupidity and ignorance.

well considering Alexs stats are slightly skewed because he played half a year with a torn shoulder and really hurt his stats with that.

I chose to show the last 3 years because they are more relevant then shit that happened 7-8 years ago go ahead though keep living in the past.

[Ming the Merciless]

maatt cassel

[Exoter175]

Well lets see, in 2011 he was 9th in passer rating, and in 2012 he was 3rd in passer rating.

The one guy above him in both of those years is Aaron Rodgers.

Interesting point to make here, with their helmets on, have you ever noticed how much Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith look alike?






But for real, as much as I believe Harbaugh impacted Alex's game, I believe it to be solid coaching that was the culprit, not some Harbaugh voodoo magic. I wasn't behind the whole Kaepernick> Smith decision and I think that has the potential to bite them in the ass.

While I believe we overpaid for what Alex Smith WAS before Harbaugh, I believe we're getting Alex Smith at a pretty standard deal for what he HAS BEEN with Harbaugh.

You consider Alex's overall improvements over the last 3-4 seasons, and the fact that he went 6-2 last season on FIRE, especially that season opener against the Pack.

I'd say you give your usual suspects a pass here.

Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers are better.

Then you go to your younger guys who have shown to be good. Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco.

And then you get your 2004 class variants, your Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, and Phillip Rivers.

And I think the line stops there. I can't put Andrew Luck and RG3 here, they are too young, too new to the game to really compare yet, especially when Alex had a higher passer rating than those two last year, in the only season the three had played in the league. But, I do believe Luck will eventually be "better" once he has been refined and molded, and I think RG3's play will take an opposite turn as teams adjust to him over the years.

I'm going to go on record and be honest here, I think Alex is a solid #13-#8 kind of QB, I think his floor is a little lower than Cassel's ceiling, and his Ceiling is a little higher than Brady's Floor.

[ceebz]

How about we think of it this way; we potentially just gave up two second round picks for a QB and still have the worst QB situation in the division.

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[NWTF]

Originally Posted by milkman

If I'd been living in a back alley dumpster for the last 5 years and someone threw tent away, which I took to a remote freeway undepass to set up and live in, that's a big upgrade.

My situation is better, but I'm still ****ing homeless.

Good analogy.

Smith is somewhere in the middle of the pack as as far as QBs go. If the Chiefs get enough talent around him they will be in contention for playoff appearances down the road. Hes not a true franchise QB and unless they acquire a top notch defense (2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs) they probably will have minor playoff success. But they have a good chance to get a playoff victory with him.

I guess whats disappointing is you would want your favorite team to shoot higher than that.

[boogblaster]

he's middle of the pack sumwhere .. but he was improving under his last coach .. so we'll see .....