Chiefs I guess at this point, it all comes down to Branden Albert. - Page 4

Direckshun · 04-02-2013, 06:59 AM

Just some Chiefs-related rambling this morning. Take it or leave it.

If the team can't sign Branden Albert, or if they trade him, I have worlds of trouble figuring out how they draft anybody but Joeckel/Fisher at 1.1, even if they find a way to trade down, which I now suspect they will.

I'm obviously just one of you guys, but I do follow this shit pretty much every day. I'd say if they ink Albert longterm, that's the only way you avoid going tackle.

Put it like this. Chances of going Joeckel/Fisher:

option A: they ink Albert long-term: 5%.
option B: if they keep Albert on the franchise tag: 75%.
option C: if they trade Albert away: 100%.

I just can't see any scenerio where we choose to let Albert go and they choose to go with Geno or either of the passrushers (Jordan or Ansah) that they obviously like a lot. I can see it happen with Albert on the tag, but even that's hard to see as they'd probably just love bookending Joeckel with Albert for a year before sliding Joeckel over to LT.

Here's the problem with that option, and why I think options A or C are the only viable solutions: if the team is incapable of landing a 2nd rounder for Albert in the 2013 draft, than the best they can hope for outside of doing this whole ordeal again in 2014 is a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2015. That's the deal: a 2nd rounder in 2013, or a 3rd rounder in 2015. That's why the Chiefs are trying to get rid of Albert now.

The fact Albert isn't showing up for practice, the only player to do so, is pretty damning as well. That shows option C to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay out in the lead. Option A is far behind, and I don't even think option B has left the gates -- I simply don't regard it as a possibility.

The silver lining of all that, however, is the cap space. Losing Albert, much as I would hate it, means that we can replace him with Joeckel/Fisher and still have $10million in cap space to play with either this year or roll it over to 2014 for god knows who. And the player replacing Albert, at least, will be younger and cheaper for at least five years. So there's that.

What are the odds that Albert comes down on his contract demands if the Chiefs can't find adequate trade compensation? Perhaps Albert can take that as a sign, and just take a more manageable deal instead of initiating a year-plus contract battle with the Chiefs, playing under a one-year deal.

As for the non-tackle options with our 1st round pick, which I simply don't regard as a large possibility at this point: if the Chiefs stay at #1 overall, I don't think you can take either passrusher and feel good about yourself. I think both passrushers make a ton of sense at #4 (Eagles) or #5 (Browns), but again this assumes that the Chiefs have settled in with Albert for the long haul and aren't interested in Joeckel/Fisher. So I think the 1.1 becomes Geno Smith if, and only if, the Chiefs ink Albert long-term, or at least believe they will be able to do so. Any other variation: an Albert trade, or a trade down, means that Geno will not be the pick.

The Albert omens aren't good at this point. And based on some interesting observations from BossChief, I think the flurry of recent QB activity in the wake of KC hosting Geno this week means that it's come out that the Chiefs have secured a trade down partner as well. Which means I think the Chiefs are going to be trading down to #4 or #5. If that happens, if they plan on keeping Albert, I fully expect Dion Jordan or Ezekiel Ansah as heir apparents to/insurance for Tamba Hali in 2014, as I expect there will be a Dumervil-esque restructuring ordeal. If Albert's gone, well hey, they may still get Joeckel at that spot, or they'll settle for Fisher.

My guess: the Chiefs will find a trade partner for Albert, and get a 2nd rounder back in this year's draft for him, while landing another 2nd rounder in trading down from 1.1 to 1.4 or 1.5 with a team (Eagles or Browns?) who wants Geno. Like I said earlier, the good news is that we'll find a cheap, capable replacement for Albert and still have two seconds to play with.

That means two quality players with star potential, or the underrated possibility at this point that the Chiefs package those 2nd rounders and trade back into the 1st, should somebody exciting like OLB Bjoern Werner, OLB Damontre Moore, WR Justin Hunter, WR Cordarrelle Patterson, TE Tyler Eifert, or S Matt Elam falls a bit more than expected...

Like I said, just some ramblings this morning.

Fat Elvis · 04-02-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

As much of a part of the 49ers as Trent Dilfer was to the Ravens.

Yeah, because "upgrading" their QB from Dilfer so that they could be a dynasty worked out so well for them.

jd1020 · 04-02-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Yeah, because "upgrading" their QB from Dilfer so that they could be a dynasty worked out so well for them.

Do you have a point?

jd1020 · 04-02-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Albert, as much as I like him, is not one of the best LTs in the NFL. You're just being delusional. He is a good LT, make no mistake, but to say he is one of the best is talking with the homer glasses on.

Pretty sure you are the delusional one.

He's one of the best pass blockers in the league.

Brock · 04-02-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Albert, as much as I like him, is not one of the best LTs in the NFL. You're just being delusional. He is a good LT, make no mistake, but to say he is one of the best is talking with the homer glasses on.

He is one of the best. No homer bullshit here.

Ace Gunner · 04-02-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Have you noticed the shitfest he's been protecting in KC?

have you noticed he plays OT like a OG? Albert doesn't engage his man.

I have said many times on this board I would like Albert to remain a Chief, but I'm not gonna sugar coat him. Reid likes big OT's that hold blocks.

ct · 04-02-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hometeam

Lets assume we draft Jokel/Fisher and trade Albert for a 2nd this year and 3rd next.

What we have effectively done is take Alex Smith with 1.1. Also, because of Smiths cap number, we also have the same amount of cap space had we say, kept Albert on the franchise tag and drafted Geno at 1.

gg.

No what you've done is trade Brandon Albert for Alex Smith. Then drafted Albert's replacement at 1.1 because they evaluate OT as much better draft prospect then QB.

Crush · 04-02-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Albert, as much as I like him, is not one of the best LTs in the NFL. You're just being delusional. He is a good LT, make no mistake, but to say he is one of the best is talking with the homer glasses on.

Who's better than Albert?

**RealSNR** · 04-02-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

have you noticed he plays OT like a OG? Albert doesn't engage his man.

I have said many times on this board I would like Albert to remain a Chief, but I'm not gonna sugar coat him. Reid likes big OT's that hold blocks.

Then it makes zero sense to draft Joeckel, who doesn't demonstrate very often in his Texas A&M games the ability to hold blocks.

Fisher is Andy's guy if that's what he likes.

**FRCDFED** · 04-02-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

Who's better than Albert?

Apparently Joekel and/or Fisher are.

DTLB58 · 04-02-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

So the Chiefs have a trade partner, multiple NFL teams know about it and are making moves in response to it, yet not a single person with the Chiefs, with the trading partner, or with any of these other teams have leaked a single word about it to anyone?

This seems somewhat unlikely.

Plus, the Chiefs still have Geno in town today. Wouldn't that be a waste of time?

B14ckmon · 04-02-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

Who's better than Albert?

Eugene Monroe. Only reason why he gave up more sacks is because we had 0 running game last year.

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

Plus, the Chiefs still have Geno in town today. Wouldn't that be a waste of time?

Not when it potentially leads to more draft picks.

DTLB58 · 04-02-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Then it makes zero sense to draft Joeckel, who doesn't demonstrate very often in his Texas A&M games the ability to hold blocks.

Fisher is Andy's guy if that's what he likes.

Then that's fine, but it's pretty obvious this regime doesn't want Albert as their LT.

NJChiefsFan · 04-02-2013, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Alex Smith got his team to the NFCCG and was a special teams collapse away from getting his team into the SB. As I said before, you can split the hairs any way you want to, but that's what happened.

I don't know if pointing out how weak he was in the NFCCG is really splitting hairs. Or pointing out that his team was stacked as hell. Alex played better in the Saints game than I thought he could. I do know that most of his play outside of that game leads me to think he isn't taking this team anywhere special, but he is a lot better than Cassel IMO. Thing is that isn't the goal. We shall see.

As TBG pointed out earlier, Reid isn't going to coddle Alex. At the very least we should see Alex's feet held to the fire.

Chief Faithful · 04-02-2013, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

That is your opinion but not fact. Others will believe that Joeckel will do more than good his rookie year. He is a very polished prospect.

Can a prospect from Texas A&M really be a polished prospect?

I would rather see the Chiefs keep Albert and draft Joeckel letting him play RT as a rookie. When Albert leaves next year move Joeckel to the left side and find another RT. By then Stephenson might be ready to take the starting RT role.

**FRCDFED** · 04-02-2013, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

Then that's fine, but it's pretty obvious this regime doesn't want Albert as their LT.

At least not at the price Albert thinks he's worth.

04-02-2013, 06:59 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $3203447	I guess at this point, it all comes down to Branden Albert. Just some Chiefs-related rambling this morning. Take it or leave it. If the team can't sign Branden Albert, or if they trade him, I have worlds of trouble figuring out how they draft anybody but Joeckel/Fisher at 1.1, even if they find a way to trade down, which I now suspect they will. I'm obviously just one of you guys, but I do follow this shit pretty much every day. I'd say if they ink Albert longterm, that's the only way you avoid going tackle. Put it like this. Chances of going Joeckel/Fisher: option A: they ink Albert long-term: 5%. option B: if they keep Albert on the franchise tag: 75%. option C: if they trade Albert away: 100%. I just can't see any scenerio where we choose to let Albert go and they choose to go with Geno or either of the passrushers (Jordan or Ansah) that they obviously like a lot. I can see it happen with Albert on the tag, but even that's hard to see as they'd probably just love bookending Joeckel with Albert for a year before sliding Joeckel over to LT. Here's the problem with that option, and why I think options A or C are the only viable solutions: if the team is incapable of landing a 2nd rounder for Albert in the 2013 draft, than the best they can hope for outside of doing this whole ordeal again in 2014 is a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2015. That's the deal: a 2nd rounder in 2013, or a 3rd rounder in 2015. That's why the Chiefs are trying to get rid of Albert now. The fact Albert isn't showing up for practice, the only player to do so, is pretty damning as well. That shows option C to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay out in the lead. Option A is far behind, and I don't even think option B has left the gates -- I simply don't regard it as a possibility. The silver lining of all that, however, is the cap space. Losing Albert, much as I would hate it, means that we can replace him with Joeckel/Fisher and still have $10million in cap space to play with either this year or roll it over to 2014 for god knows who. And the player replacing Albert, at least, will be younger and cheaper for at least five years. So there's that. What are the odds that Albert comes down on his contract demands if the Chiefs can't find adequate trade compensation? Perhaps Albert can take that as a sign, and just take a more manageable deal instead of initiating a year-plus contract battle with the Chiefs, playing under a one-year deal. As for the non-tackle options with our 1st round pick, which I simply don't regard as a large possibility at this point: if the Chiefs stay at #1 overall, I don't think you can take either passrusher and feel good about yourself. I think both passrushers make a ton of sense at #4 (Eagles) or #5 (Browns), but again this assumes that the Chiefs have settled in with Albert for the long haul and aren't interested in Joeckel/Fisher. So I think the 1.1 becomes Geno Smith if, and only if, the Chiefs ink Albert long-term, or at least believe they will be able to do so. Any other variation: an Albert trade, or a trade down, means that Geno will not be the pick. The Albert omens aren't good at this point. And based on some interesting observations from BossChief, I think the flurry of recent QB activity in the wake of KC hosting Geno this week means that it's come out that the Chiefs have secured a trade down partner as well. Which means I think the Chiefs are going to be trading down to #4 or #5. If that happens, if they plan on keeping Albert, I fully expect Dion Jordan or Ezekiel Ansah as heir apparents to/insurance for Tamba Hali in 2014, as I expect there will be a Dumervil-esque restructuring ordeal. If Albert's gone, well hey, they may still get Joeckel at that spot, or they'll settle for Fisher. My guess: the Chiefs will find a trade partner for Albert, and get a 2nd rounder back in this year's draft for him, while landing another 2nd rounder in trading down from 1.1 to 1.4 or 1.5 with a team (Eagles or Browns?) who wants Geno. Like I said earlier, the good news is that we'll find a cheap, capable replacement for Albert and still have two seconds to play with. That means two quality players with star potential, or the underrated possibility at this point that the Chiefs package those 2nd rounders and trade back into the 1st, should somebody exciting like OLB Bjoern Werner, OLB Damontre Moore, WR Justin Hunter, WR Cordarrelle Patterson, TE Tyler Eifert, or S Matt Elam falls a bit more than expected... Like I said, just some ramblings this morning.
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