Let's have a conversation about the job John Dorsey has done thus far.

[BossChief]

In his first year, he drafted a bunch of guys that got hurt and showed nothing as rookies, but luckily he didn't need them because a bunch of guys stepped up. 3 of those players have been quite good in year 2...so far anyway.

Fisher
Davis
Kelce

All 3 have the ability to be good starters and that's an above average draft class if we are being objective.

Commings
Kush
Johnson
Catapano

These guys are all wild cards that can really tip the strength of the overall draft class. I think Kush has the ability to be a solid starter, myself. Who knows about Catapano.

Giving up so much for Alex Smith, but I'll reserve judgement until I see how he performs this year. If he plays well, I think the compensation was decent and also strengthens the overall draft class.

As it sits right now, I have a hard time grading the 2013 draft class lower than a solid B...with a chance to be a B+ or A- as the year goes on and more info is available.

Everybody was thrilled with free agency last year, but the contracts given to these guys were just silly. Especially to Colquitt, Daniel and Fasano. Those contracts are gonna prohibit us from locking up Berry or Houston long term. Watch. We all knew KC would need to overpay to bring free agents in to a bad team in an undesirable market...that's what happened.

The deal for Devito was ok (can't count the Achilles against the signing) but overall free agency can't get graded higher than a D+\C-. Maybe lower.

I don't think it would be fair to judge the 2014 draft class in any way with us only 2 games in, so I won't even touch on it.

Moving on to the 2014 free agent class...

Letting 3 starting quality offensive linemen walk is a tough pill to swallow...especially when the OL looks (early on at least) to be a real weakness on the team. Simply unacceptable. It sucks that we didn't target guys like TJ Ward or got things finalized with Sanders cause those would have helped us BIG TIME. And for similar money we gave to guys like Daniel and Fasano. Very frustrating. Replacing Tyson Jackson with Walker seems like an upgrade and signing Vickerson was solid as well. No way should they have paid Dexter what he got in Tennessee, so that one worked out as well. Letting Demps and Lewis walk were also solid decisions. I think I'd be hard pressed to grade this free agency period higher than a C- and if it weren't for signing Vickerson, it would be a D...at best.

IMO we missed a huge opportunity to upgrade the team here. Hopefully the reasons they have for why they did this are making sure to retain Houston and Berry long termZ if we don't, I want his head on a pike for losing either guy.

Discuss

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by SNR

Fisher doesn't suck as much as a tackle as Zach Fulton sucks at guard.

Trying to be nice

That's accurate...

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

How many of the following will be starting the Chiefs in 2016?

Fisher
Davis
Kelce
Nico Johnson
Sanders Commings
Eric Kush
Mike Catapano

If he can stay healthy I'll go Kelce. That's it.

Davis has the talent but he's been banged up damned near every year he's played. I doubt he lasts until Charles comes back.

Kush looks like solid depth.

Commings is a joke. Johnson is a joke.

Catapano has ebola...

[L.A. Chieffan]

Its all subjective BS, I can go in and tell you on every play that this guy or that guy isnt doing his job right. Fact of the matter is if you arent sitting in the TEAMS offensive line video room you have no idea what is going on and who f'd up. Sometimes an OLinemans job is to slide into a LB

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Its all subjective BS, I can go in and tell you on every play that this guy or that guy isnt doing his job right. Fact of the matter is if you arent sitting in the TEAMS offensive line video room you have no idea what is going on and who f'd up.

I'm pretty sure Fulton's assignment isn't to slowly walk the pass rusher to his QB...

[Hammock Parties]

The greatest thing about that sack/incompletion that Fisher allowed is on the next play he got his lunch eaten again...

Great throw by Alex.

[Hammock Parties]

21/75 plays were very poor for Fisher.

People are right that his pass blocking was fine until the 4th quarter. His HORRID run blocking is being ignored though.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Count Zarth

21/75 plays were very poor for Fisher.

People are right that his pass blocking was fine until the 4th quarter. His HORRID run blocking is being ignored though.

You are basing this on what?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If you give up one sack and have 75 other good plays it's not going to hurt you as much as giving up no sacks but six QB hits and hurries, because your failure ****ed up far more plays.

You have to put context around it. He was also playing on a slippery field and in the altitude, where visitors tend to get gassed because they're not used to the conditions. I am sure Fisher also didn't get full conditioning this offseason and his arms maybe don't have the full stamina.

Those are excuses. But they are also legitimate reasons why you have to grade a little on a curve. I thought his biggest problems were largely him slipping around on run plays and that at the end of the game, he was flailing his arms around in pass pro.

[Bewbies]

I wonder if Fisher will end up being bashed by the Sacc wannabee's of the world just like Albert was?

[chiefzilla1501]

Here's my view on Dorsey.....

2013 was highly overrated. Overpaid for Bowe, Colquitt. Seemed raw trying to trade Albert and hide that he was going to take a left tackle. Probably gave up too much draft value for Alex Smith. Overpaid for veteran "stopgap" contracts like Chase Daniel and Fasano. Way overdrafted for Eric Fisher.

2014... the approach has been the right one even if people hate it. The execution remains to be seen. We devalued offensive linemen and chose not to throw huge contracts at them, and use the later rounds to draft... Good - Jon Schneider does this shit too in Seattle, the difference is his linemen turn into quality starters. He draft high risk / high reward guys over conservative need guys. I love that too. He was patient in negotiating contracts. Even if people hate the Smith and Charles contract, at least they were slotted correctly. They aren't overpaid. Smith was paid like a mid-level starting QB which is about right. All this has helped clean up the cap and create a clean cap situation starting next year and very favorable within 2 years. It also helped us stockpile picks in next year which was badly needed.

It remains to be seen what we have in Dorsey. Too soon to tell, but it's a little scary. He is right to put it all on the draft but so far, we have a few guys contributing and we need for half of his picks to start quality contributing and we need some true playmakers to emerge out of that too. Dorsey has to find a replacement for Alex Smith so that our window doesn't close in 2-3 years with no replacement QB. He has to keep improving on the business side, as he doesn't seem to have savvy working deals with players or for trades. Now that the team is becoming his own, he has to start hitting some big free agent upgrades, not the ticky tack overpaid ones like Avery and DeVito.

In fairness to Dorsey, in the three games where his guys were asked to step in, we almost beat San Diego, Denver, and Indy (three playoff teams in tough, tough conditions). I don't know why they've competed, but they did. His players do need time to develop and it's silly to call people busts in year 1 or call them bad picks if it takes a year or 2 to develop. But as I state above... there's a LOT of things that need to start happening before we can call Dorsey good and that has to scare him a ton because only a little has happened so far to say we're executing correctly.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

You are basing this on what?

Seriously, it's Clay?

As always based on a subjective measurement with his predetermined agenda in mind.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Count Zarth

I'm popping corn and capturing GIFs now. Boy Fisher sucks. Post to come!

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

You are basing this on what?

Watched the plays. Saw Fisher losing control of those he was assigned to block. Judged it as poor OL play.

Wait for the GIFs. You'll see.

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Of the 3 you name as potential "good starters" there's only one that I think actually has a chance and that's Kelce.

Fisher is...

And Davis is a decent backup. He's not shifty. He often gets taken down at the los, but every now and then when he gets a BIG hole he can spring a run for 10+ yards. He's like Jackie Battle, just a change of pace back.

Some of you guys have been watching baseball during the football games.

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by Count Zarth

21/75 plays were very poor for Fisher.

People are right that his pass blocking was fine until the 4th quarter. His HORRID run blocking is being ignored though.

God I wish I lived near you so I could kick the living shit out of your pansy ass!

Seriously, you have simply ruined this board.

Mods? Are you listening?