Royals Destiny is a Powerful Force - posted by a Orioles fan - Page 4

**007** · 10-11-2014, 03:01 AM

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/foru...powerful-force

Rare is it a case that a team completely blows a bases loaded, no out situation in the top of the 9th like the Royals did....only to easily blow through the bottom of the inning and then unload in the 10th....all on the road!

They are not the best team in baseball by any means, but unless we can drop a really painful loss on them that gives them some shred of self-doubt, this series may be a quickie version of 1997. This one feels a little worse than your normal Game 1 loss because of how it played out.

One of their cyborg relievers really needs to screw up or something and cost them the game.

Now, click on the link and read the rest of the tripe they responded with.

Mosbonian · 10-11-2014, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

James Shields is probably going to walk in free agency to a long, expensive contract (that the team signing him might regret in years 3-5). That's not the Royals being a farm team.

Billy Butler is probably going to be cut loose, because he has an expensive option and has declined significantly for two straight seasons. He isn't worth $12.5 million a year any longer. That's not the Royals being a farm team.

The Royals MIGHT trade Greg Holland or Wade Davis as part of a deal to improve the everyday lineup or rotation. That's also not the Royals being a farm team.

My point: They're probably going to lose at least two and possibly three very prominent players after this year, but it's not because they're being cheap assholes and fire-sale-ing the team.

The Royals haven't traded a good player in a true salary dump since 2004. Dayton Moore has NEVER done it (

I'm OK with Butler and Shields leaving the Royals considering what they would probably cost us next year. Butler has seen his best years (if there were any really good years) and Shields will probably have a drop off in a couple of years.

It's just my opinion......but of the bullpen trio I would LEAST like to see Wade Davis be traded. To me he seems to be the most steady of the 3 we have and last night just pretty much proved it. He went thru the 8th and 9th like he was pitching against HS kids.

duncan_idaho · 10-11-2014, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian

I'm OK with Butler and Shields leaving the Royals considering what they would probably cost us next year. Butler has seen his best years (if there were any really good years) and Shields will probably have a drop off in a couple of years.

It's just my opinion......but of the bullpen trio I would LEAST like to see Wade Davis be traded. To me he seems to be the most steady of the 3 we have and last night just pretty much proved it. He went thru the 8th and 9th like he was pitching against HS kids.

Yeah, I'm starting to think they might not move either (especially if the bullpen remains such a significant strength during this postseason run). But I couldn't argue with one over the other.

Davis has been more dominant this year and has the size and arsenal you want out of a closer, but Holland's 4-year run is also one of the most dominant you will find.

He's been godly for 4 years now. That reliability is something to consider...

Mosbonian · 10-11-2014, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Darren O'Day is a groundball - and therefore double play - machine. When you're a submariner, you're not trying to blow the ball by anyone. That's going to be a really tough matchup for Butler (and any other RH hitter) all series, and if he throws strikes on the inside part of the plate, righties are going to hit groundballs.

Going to Herrera and Davis for an extra inning each was a really critical move for Yost (as was, as it turned out, letting Shields pitch the 5th, which allowed them to lengthen the pen just enough).

Really would be great if they could get 7 innings out of Ventura today. With Davis and Herrera throwing 2 innings each, I'm not sure either is available today.

Finnegan should be available, but KC might need to rely on Frasor to get through the tough righty bats in the late innings. I'm fine with that matchup, but it would be great if they could get through this game without using Duffy (so he's available for Game 3).

I think Yost was throwing out all stops to win last night...that pretty much puts the Royals up to defending home turf to win it all at home. If they win the game this afternoon there should be a stampede to fill the stadium for those 3 games.

I see them using the rest of the bullpen and only going to Holland if necessary. If they use Davis or Herrera at all it would only be for a batter or two or a situational at-bat.

Lex Luthor · 10-11-2014, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Definitely fair!

Considering that a big portion of the fanbase freaked the **** out when the Royals traded David Lough - who wasn't actually very good - I can only imagine what the response will be when Shields and Butler move on.

I think a lot of people will freak. Hopefully they make a move or two to counteract the freak out...

I remember a few years ago when a bunch of ignorant fans went ballistic because the Royals traded Melky Cabrera. I tried to tell them it was a great move because Cabrera was blocking Lorenzo Cain from playing. They didn't care. All they knew was that they loved their Melky. Half of them had no idea who Lorenzo Cain was. They just kept saying "same old Royals".

It will be the same way this offseason with Shields and Butler.

Mosbonian · 10-11-2014, 10:05 AM

I shouldn't short-sell Herrera last night either.....he did a great job in relief of Finnegan.

duncan_idaho · 10-11-2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian

I think Yost was throwing out all stops to win last night...that pretty much puts the Royals up to defending home turf to win it all at home. If they win the game this afternoon there should be a stampede to fill the stadium for those 3 games.

I see them using the rest of the bullpen and only going to Holland if necessary. If they use Davis or Herrera at all it would only be for a batter or two or a situational at-bat.

I think you're exactly right and I completely agree with the decision. Winning Game 1 was pretty critical.

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

I remember a few years ago when a bunch of ignorant fans went ballistic because the Royals traded Melky Cabrera. I tried to tell them it was a great move because Cabrera was blocking Lorenzo Cain from playing. They didn't care. All they knew was that they loved their Melky. Half of them had no idea who Lorenzo Cain was. They just kept saying "same old Royals".

It will be the same way this offseason with Shields and Butler.

Yeah, it will.

**DaFace** · 10-11-2014, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

No kidding. Their chants are about as reeruned as anything I've ever heard. They call that shit, "professional"?

The problem isn't the chant itself - the original song is pretty solid, and the chant is prevalent in many soccer stadiums without being obnoxious.

The problem is that it's the ONLY GOD DAMN CHANT THEY DO FOR THE ENTIRE MOTHER****ING GAME. LEARN ANOTHER CHANT FOR CHRISSAKES.

milkman · 10-11-2014, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

I remember a few years ago when a bunch of ignorant fans went ballistic because the Royals traded Melky Cabrera. I tried to tell them it was a great move because Cabrera was blocking Lorenzo Cain from playing. They didn't care. All they knew was that they loved their Melky. Half of them had no idea who Lorenzo Cain was. They just kept saying "same old Royals".

It will be the same way this offseason with Shields and Butler.

Just out of curiosity, what did the Royals get back for Melky?

TLO · 10-11-2014, 10:17 AM

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Just out of curiosity, what did the Royals get back for Melky?

Jonathan Sanchez.

Who then turned into Jeremy Guthrie.

ChiefsCountry · 10-11-2014, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Just out of curiosity, what did the Royals get back for Melky?

Jonathan Sanchez

BWillie · 10-11-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

The Royals were 2nd in the league in getting runners in from 3rd and less than two outs and they brought them in a bit over 50 percent of the time. It is not as big a deal stranding runners as people think.

I believe that stat is if the Royals have a runner on 3rd OR 2nd. If you get bases loaded, no outs, AND get a 3-2 count on the hitter...I would say you have at least an 85% chance to score a run in that inning.

milkman · 10-11-2014, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Jonathan Sanchez

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke

Jonathan Sanchez.

Who then turned into Jeremy Guthrie.

The info made available by Duncan Idaho and others here had me chomping at the bit to see Cain in the bigs, so moving Melky essentailly opened the roster for Cain, and eventually netted Guthrie, who seems to be about as solid a #5 starter that you can hope for.

Seems like a major win to me.

ChiefsCountry · 10-11-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Definitely fair!

Considering that a big portion of the fanbase freaked the **** out when the Royals traded David Lough - who wasn't actually very good - I can only imagine what the response will be when Shields and Butler move on.

I think a lot of people will freak. Hopefully they make a move or two to counteract the freak out...

The casual fans are going to freak big time when Shields and Butler leave.

Strongside · 10-11-2014, 10:30 AM

My God, it's glorious to be on the other side of these things for once.

ChiefsCountry · 10-11-2014, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The info made available by Duncan Idaho and others here had me chomping at the bit to see Cain in the bigs, so moving Melky essentailly opened the roster for Cain, and eventually netted Guthrie, who seems to be about as solid a #5 starter that you can hope for.

Seems like a major win to me.

Sanchez blew balls here, but it was the right idea by Moore.

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