Let's talk about fair and consistent moderation

[Fire Me Boy!]

I'd like to have an open and honest conversation. I hope you all know me well enough to know I don't mean any ill will. But I know this will likely not go over well.

We need documentation of offenses and punishments. It seems all too often that fairness and rationality is thrown out the window in favor of emotion. Without documenting offenses and punishment, there is no guideline for how to dole out action. It begs for mods to take whatever action they feel at the time, which could range from nothing to full bans. Further, it opens the door wide for mods to rationalize action or non-action. This can be a living document that grows or shrinks with time.

We have too many instances of punishment being made up on the spot. This is not OK. There is no fair and consistent moderation on this board.

The unfair treatment in this place is ridiculous. Deberg gets thumped for being annoying. Inmem gets put on Miserable User for being annoying. Dozens of other users remain untouched. Hootie gets chance after chance after chance. Joey: chance after chance after chance. Inmem: ****ed without warning. Deberg loses thread starting privileges without warning because other posters are bitching.

If we remove users that are annoying, many users would be gone. If we ban people because they post a lot, I can think of dozens of users that would have been gone years ago. Trolls? Please. Unpopular opinions? GTFO.

DC is a freakin' cesspool of rudeness, meanness, and bigotry, and not a single thing happens to anyone in there. Ever. No action taken. We all know that if DC didn't exist, all of that shit would spill into the main forum. It's just an example because it does occasionally spill over here.

Mods occasionally troll certain users (name changes, rep changes, etc.). I’m not trying to take the fun away; as long as it’s temporary, no big deal. It shouldn’t be long-term. Frazod, while questionably batchit crazy, is a good example of this.

I know of one mod who’s given up on trying to do any discipline due to other mods complaining, or members threatening to revolt. Moderation seems based on whichever mod gets annoyed first. This is not a good way to moderate a board.

Do we need some fresh blood? Maybe some mods that cannot control themselves need to fall on the sword and step down. Maybe a mod election would be good.

tl;dr: Moderation here is BS. Let’s find a way to make it right.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

He wasn't banned. He's taking a break because people seem shitty.

I thought people seemed nice?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by loochy

I thought people seemed nice?

"seemed" being the operative word

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

"seemed" being the operative word

I assume he got pooped on in private or something beyond the normal asshattery that goes on here.

[Graystoke]

You are going to get banned for this OP.

But, this place has always been the wild wild west. I know I wouldn't want to be a mod on this board.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

I'd like to have an open and honest conversation. I hope you all know me well enough to know I don't mean any ill will. But I know this will likely not go over well.

We need documentation of offenses and punishments. It seems all too often that fairness and rationality is thrown out the window in favor of emotion. Without documenting offenses and punishment, there is no guideline for how to dole out action. It begs for mods to take whatever action they feel at the time, which could range from nothing to full bans. Further, it opens the door wide for mods to rationalize action or non-action. This can be a living document that grows or shrinks with time.

We have too many instances of punishment being made up on the spot. This is not OK. There is no fair and consistent moderation on this board.

The unfair treatment in this place is ridiculous. Deberg gets thumped for being annoying. Inmem gets put on Miserable User for being annoying. Dozens of other users remain untouched. Hootie gets chance after chance after chance. Joey: chance after chance after chance. Inmem: ****ed without warning. Deberg loses thread starting privileges without warning because other posters are bitching.

If we remove users that are annoying, many users would be gone. If we ban people because they post a lot, I can think of dozens of users that would have been gone years ago. Trolls? Please. Unpopular opinions? GTFO.

DC is a freakin' cesspool of rudeness, meanness, and bigotry, and not a single thing happens to anyone in there. Ever. No action taken. We all know that if DC didn't exist, all of that shit would spill into the main forum. It's just an example because it does occasionally spill over here.

Mods occasionally troll certain users (name changes, rep changes, etc.). I’m not trying to take the fun away; as long as it’s temporary, no big deal. It shouldn’t be long-term. Frazod, while questionably batchit crazy, is a good example of this.

I know of one mod who’s given up on trying to do any discipline due to other mods complaining, or members threatening to revolt. Moderation seems based on whichever mod gets annoyed first. This is not a good way to moderate a board.

Do we need some fresh blood? Maybe some mods that cannot control themselves need to fall on the sword and step down. Maybe a mod election would be good.

tl;dr: Moderation here is BS. Let’s find a way to make it right.

There's always someone...

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I don't know that we've ever agreed about anything until now.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by Graystoke

You are going to get banned for this OP.

But, this place has always been the wild wild west. I know I wouldn't want to be a mod on this board.

That's fine. It would pretty much prove my point. I've done nothing banworthy.

[Fish]

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Predarat

We need to elect a MasterMod, who Mods the Mods.

That would be Austin.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

That would be Austin.

but who mods austin?

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by loochy

but who mods austin?

Greg Abbott.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Missing your InMen in the food thread, no doubt?

To be fair, he's a perfectly civil human being in there.

Seriously, he's just the latest example. The rampant disregard for objectively moderating this board is ridiculous. This isn't just about Inmem. He was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

[Fish]

Ban all mods. Those guys are jerks.....

[TimBone]

Inmen finally got put on MU? ****ing awesome. And don't say that dickbag got ****ed without warning. He's been shitting everywhere for a long time. And someone posted a warning he received about a month ago.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by TimBone

Inmen finally got put on MU? ****ing awesome. And don't say that dickbag got ****ed without warning. He's been shitting everywhere for a long time. And someone posted a warning he received about a month ago.

Again, it's not just about him. I don't know the guy personally. I'm not friends with him on Facebook, and outside of the food threads, I don't really interact with him. He was just the latest example.

The larger issue is that mods don't have any guidance on what should be punished, and what the punishment should be. It's decided all willy nilly on the spot. That's bad, IMO. So why don't we do something about it? Let's document the procedure; let's PUBLISH the procedure. Then, there will be no question. You do X, you get X. It's cut and dried.