The Patriots having some issues?

[O.city]

I’ve been busy since the Jimmy G trade to the 9ers and haven’t had a chance to post this but I’ve got time between patients here so let’s get into this.

Reading some stuff about it and with info trickling out, I think brady power played Bill into trading Jimmy. It was all set up for them to move Brady after the season, then they basically give Jimmy away for a 2nd rounder. He goes to SF and looks like Montana 2.0 and now Bill is running Brady’s trainer off.

Weird shot going on in New England?

[Red Dawg]

Oh I'm sure everything is falling a part in NE.

[Coochie liquor]

While were talking about New England... why the **** does Bob Crap wear his hair like Mark Wahlburg??

[PHOG]

This is just another level of the dastardliness of the Cheatriots. Do not! I repeat!! Do NOT let them fool you.

[bowener]

Originally Posted by oldman

BB is an overrated ass. He's been lucky enough to have Brady for all but 1 year at NE. Take a look at what he did before at Cleveland (36-44) and since he's been at NE (212-74). Just keep thanking your lucky stars, hoodie-boy.

This is a ridiculous statement. Yes, Brady certainly helps win games, but if you can sit and watch the Patriot games and come away thinking that the coach is average or worse you really don't know shit about football.

[B_Ambuehl]

From the perspective of a trainer this is likely the case:

Guerrero "doesn't play well with others" and has pissed off the regular Patriots training/medical staff. With nearly 20 Patriots players on the Guerrero program, his interference grew intolerable. AMNORIX SEZ: Sounds pretty plausible.

There will be lots of inherent conflict between the team strength coaches, training staff, physio staff and whatever Guerrero is doing. His methods encompass a lot of pseudo-science and lots of hype. They work well for Brady but that likely isn't the case for everyone.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Looking back. That 36 and 44 is pretty good for Cleveland.

It would have been even better if art modell didn't sell the browns. The browns went 5-11 in Clevelands final season after going 11-5. No doubt that drop-off was primarily because of the browns sale.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It would have been even better if art modell didn't sell the browns. The browns went 5-11 in Clevelands final season after going 11-5. No doubt that drop-off was primarily because of the browns sale.

Art Modell fired both Paul Brown and Bill Belichick, both of whom will make every top 10 coaches in NFL history you care to name, and on many lists both would be top 5. It takes a special talent that do that!

[DaneMcCloud]

https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/...rift-patriots/

How much of a concern is this Alex Guerrero/Bill Belichick rift for the Patriots?

So, Boston Globe reporter Bob Hohler came out with a report confirming what I said last week on the Felger & Mazz show on 98.5 The SportsHub: Alex Guerrero, Tom Brady's training guru, has largely been banned from the stadium and the Patriots' sidelines by Bill Belichick.

Why did this happen? How big of a problem is it? What else have I learned?

Let's go through the situation:

• Over the last few years, Guerrero's influence has grown inside the Patriots' locker room, as he now treats about 20 Patriots players.
  
  
• As that influence increased, Guerrero became more emboldened in the advice he dispensed, and more adamant that when his instructions conflicted with that of the Patriots' strength, training and medical staffs, the players were to follow his directives. This greatly agitated the Patriots' staff.
  
  
• One example: a Patriots starter was told by Guerrero not to do squats. When the strength staff made that part of the player's normal in-season workout, the player refused to do the exercise. That only added to the tension between the Patriots and Guerrero.
  
  
• In the early stages of the season, Belichick professionally informed Guerrero that the team wanted to keep everyone on the same page for the betterment of the franchise. Guerrero told a different account to many of his clients — one that painted Belichick in a poor light — which further damaged the relationship, perhaps to the point that it can't be repaired.
  
  
• With Brady as his top client, and with a business relationship with the Kraft family, Guerrero was largely allowed to do what he wanted. Consequently, Belichick was helpless when it came to dealing with Guerrero. It became more of an issue when his clientele went from a handful of Patriots players to nearly half of the roster.
  
  
• Guerrero is still allowed to treat Brady in the Patriots' facility in a private room, but his appearance in other parts of the building is an intentional irritant to Belichick. Guerrero has traveled to the team's locations to treat Brady on the quarterback's dime.
  
  
• The situation has absolutely become a source of friction between Brady and Belichick. But unless Brady forces the issue and demands Guerrero's reinstatement, no one believes it will affect the team on the field.
  
  
• But that hasn't stopped some behind the scenes at Gillette from referring to Guerrero as "Yoko Guerrero," in reference to Yoko Ono, the wife of John Lennon who some believe caused the breakup of The Beatles.
  
  
• There was an attempt to bring the three parties — Belichick, Brady and Robert Kraft — together to put the issue to bed prior to the game in Miami, but it didn't happen. It's not known whether another attempt will be made.
  
  
• Two sources said they believe the current arrangement is permanent. Belichick doesn't want to irritate his staff further by giving in on Guerrero. Brady is steadfast in his belief in and support of Guerrero. Kraft is basically trying to remain Switzerland between his Hall of Fame coach, and the franchise player he adores.

The bottom line is, unless there is a major development, this should not cause any harm to the Patriots' season — just as it hasn't to this point. Despite the fact that there's a lot of angst sparked by Guerrero's actions, mostly everyone has remained professional and been able to compartmentalize team and personal business. But those close to the situation think the situation will come to a head — good or bad — in the coming offseason, as Brady begins preparations for his 19th season at the age of 41.

If this offseason also coincides with an exit by Josh McDaniels for a head coaching job, then Brady could make the Guerrero situation — if it continues — reach a critical mass. Those are a lot of comfort issues to deal with at one time, especially in the later stages of a career when, in theory, things should be made easier for a player of Brady's stature.

[RippedmyFlesh]

As a player how can you look at a 40yr old qb who can win you a sb and not follow Guerrero's advice? Defying conventional training is one of the main reasons Brady is still good.

[Bewbies]

.@ColinCowherd has a theory about why Bill Belichick traded Jacoby Brissett and Jimmy Garoppolo pic.twitter.com/YAcVBLbkkS

— Herd w/Colin Cowherd (@TheHerd) December 21, 2017

[Bewbies]

That video above is worth 5 minutes. Interesting theory....

[oldman]

Originally Posted by bowener

This is a ridiculous statement. Yes, Brady certainly helps win games, but if you can sit and watch the Patriot games and come away thinking that the coach is average or worse you really don't know shit about football.

Without Brady, the luckiest draft choice ever, BB doesn't have all those rings. I'm not saying he's average, I'm saying he's not the genius a lot of folks think he is. Look at the year he was without Brady --- 11 and 5. Crap, WE went 10-6 with Cassel and $#^* Todd freaking Haley.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by oldman

Without Brady, the luckiest draft choice ever, BB doesn't have all those rings. I'm not saying he's average, I'm saying he's not the genius a lot of folks think he is. Look at the year he was without Brady --- 11 and 5. Crap, WE went 10-6 with Cassel and $#^* Todd freaking Haley.

You can't play that "what if" game. Fact is, Belichick drafted Brady. And they've won 5 Super Bowls.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

That video above is worth 5 minutes. Interesting theory....

Or that trading him on the cheap was payback to Ratface Jr. for throwing the Superbowl. Everyone knew last year was set-up to be Brady's "revenge tour"...and it ended with the biggest comeback in SB history.

Shanahan made out pretty sweet...HC gig in the bay and a future star QB for peanuts. You play ball...the NFL masters hook you up.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by O.city

I’ve been busy since the Jimmy G trade to the 9ers and haven’t had a chance to post this but I’ve got time between patients here so let’s get into this.

Reading some stuff about it and with info trickling out, I think brady power played Bill into trading Jimmy. It was all set up for them to move Brady after the season, then they basically give Jimmy away for a 2nd rounder. He goes to SF and looks like Montana 2.0 and now Bill is running Brady’s trainer off.

Ok.