Chiefs The Chiefs shouldn't select a QB in the 1st round - Page 40

kcbubb · 01-29-2009, 10:52 AM

The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell.

The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent.

If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-02-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

So, you like offense better. Is that your point? The Chiefs need to try and build the best TEAM. I understand that having a great QB is critical, but you don't win without a good defense.

Eric Downing
Ryan Sims
Eddie Freeman
Junior Siavii

What do they have in common? They were all REACHES. Vermeil wanted Tyler Brayton over Larry Johnson!

Don't you get it? You CAN NOT build a team by REACHING for players. THAT'S WHY the Chiefs are in their current predicament.

There is not ONE defensive player worthy of the #3 overall pick. NOT ONE. But, if Sanchez or Stafford is there at the #3 overall pick, they ARE worthy of that spot.

Get it?

**The Franchise** · 02-02-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

You don't pay attention to how anything in the NFL works do you?

I'm assuming he doesn't because he thinks Ryan Fitzpatrick is good.

If we bring in Fitzpatrick to compete with Thigpen for the starting job.....we'll continue to be the laughing stock of the NFL.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-02-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I agree. But I don't see how drafting Sanchez gets us there.

Then you don't understand the NFL.

kcbubb · 02-02-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

You can't see that? But you want us to grab Fitzpatrick. You're beyond help.

How can you not see that Sanchez is doomed if we select him? Our offensive line is most likely not getting much better.

The Chiefs need to build the defense and the offensive line this year in the draft.

Deberg_1990 · 02-02-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

How can you not see that Sanchez is doomed if we select him? Our offensive line is most likely not getting much better.

The Chiefs need to build the defense and the offensive line this year in the draft.

So do you think this is a 1 year rebuild or else?? Relax dude. Be patient.

**The Franchise** · 02-02-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

How can you not see that Sanchez is doomed if we select him? Our offensive line is most likely not getting much better.

The Chiefs need to build the defense and the offensive line this year in the draft.

This has already been explained to you 3 or 4 times in this thread so far. You're either so hard headed that you can't pick up on it....or you're too dumb to realize it's there.

kcbubb · 02-02-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Eric Downing
Ryan Sims
Eddie Freeman
Junior Siavii

What do they have in common? They were all REACHES. Vermeil wanted Tyler Brayton over Larry Johnson!

Don't you get it? You CAN NOT build a team by REACHING for players. THAT'S WHY the Chiefs are in their current predicament.

There is not ONE defensive player worthy of the #3 overall pick. NOT ONE. But, if Sanchez or Stafford is there at the #3 overall pick, they ARE worthy of that spot.

Get it?

I agree with you assessment of the reaches, but disagree with your opinion of Sanchez. If we don't take Sanchez, who is? Please give me a few names. Reaching for a player is really why I want to trade down. I would love to trade down and get Everette Brown or Ray Malauaga. I also wouldn't mind trading up with our 2nd round pick to late first and get Michael Johnson if we don't select Everette Brown.

kcbubb · 02-02-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

This has already been explained to you 3 or 4 times in this thread so far. You're either so hard headed that you can't pick up on it....or you're too dumb to realize it's there.

What was that??? please tell me.... picking for NEED and selecting o-lineman in the 2nd and 3rd rounds or getting another Sacintosh in free agency. great plan. also, if you do that, our defense won't be addressed very much in the draft and will be terrible.

kcbubb · 02-02-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So do you think this is a 1 year rebuild or else?? Relax dude. Be patient.

that really is kinda my point. build a team where the QB doesn't have to carry the team. this team is not very good right now.

why not build a better team that the QB will have a better chance to develop and be successful in?

build an o-line where you can run the ball where defense has to defend the run. make it easier on the young QB you draft.

build a defense where the QB isn't playing from behind and you don't ask him to win the game. confidence is huge for a young QB. don't ask Sanchez to come out and overcome a bad defense and a bad line.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-02-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I agree with you assessment of the reaches, but disagree with your opinion of Sanchez. If we don't take Sanchez, who is? Please give me a few names. Reaching for a player is really why I want to trade down. I would love to trade down and get Everette Brown or Ray Malauaga. I also wouldn't mind trading up with our 2nd round pick to late first and get Michael Johnson if we don't select Everette Brown.

Either you can't read, you won't read or you don't read other posts thoroughly.

A team would need to give up nearly its entire draft in order to move to the #3 spot and probably picks next year. It's NOT going to happen.

There's a word for someone who would rather draft a MLB like Rey over Sanchez or Stafford.

And it's not brilliant.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-02-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

that really is kinda my point. build a team where the QB doesn't have to carry the team. this team is not very good right now.

why not build a better team that the QB will have a better chance to develop and be successful in?

build an o-line where you can run the ball where defense has to defend the run. make it easier on the young QB you draft.

build a defense where the QB isn't playing from behind and you don't ask him to win the game. confidence is huge for a young QB. don't ask Sanchez to come out and overcome a bad defense and a bad line.

If you "build" a "better" team, at what point will you have an opportunity to draft a FRANCHISE QB THAN AT THE #3 OVERALL SPOT?

Please, tell us.

**The Franchise** · 02-02-2009, 03:44 PM

Dude listen.....if there was a game changing DE available at the #3 spot this year....then I would understand your thoughts.....BUT THERE ISN'T. And don't start in with the "trade down" argument. The chances of that happening are slim to none. We have a chance to grab a young QB to build this team around with the #3 pick. If we don't....we're ****ing stupid.

Deberg_1990 · 02-02-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

build a team where the QB doesn't have to carry the team.

So you want the 90's Chiefs again then. Terrific...

ChiefRon · 02-02-2009, 03:49 PM

Cue the "then take an OT" response...

DrRyan · 02-02-2009, 04:06 PM

I am coming around to us taking a QB in the first round. I am not a big fan of either of the two options at #3 though. You are right though, there is not really a defensive player worthy(game changer) of being taken at #3. But, there are plenty of "holes" in both Stafford and Sanchez to cause concern. Stafford has not shown me the ability to make good reads. I have seen him play several times this year in which he will lock on to his primary read, leading to INTs he seems to think his arm strength can avoid. Sanchez is still very green. I see no way that spending #3 money on a kid that has started one season in college is a good move. I seriously doubt he is ready to start in the NFL week one next season, but he will likely have to if he is taken there. Not many teams drop that kind of cash on a player to hold a clip board. IMO in this years draft which is weak at the top, the Chiefs are in a lose-lose situation.

Show me I am wrong Scott and work you magic!

01-29-2009, 10:52 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6056719	The Chiefs shouldn't select a QB in the 1st round The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell. The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent. If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.
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02-02-2009, 03:44 PM	#597
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2575047	Dude listen.....if there was a game changing DE available at the #3 spot this year....then I would understand your thoughts.....BUT THERE ISN'T. And don't start in with the "trade down" argument. The chances of that happening are slim to none. We have a chance to grab a young QB to build this team around with the #3 pick. If we don't....we're ****ing stupid.
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ChiefRon Starter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Memphis, TN Casino cash: $10004900	Cue the "then take an OT" response...
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DrRyan Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: AZ Casino cash: $6871721	I am coming around to us taking a QB in the first round. I am not a big fan of either of the two options at #3 though. You are right though, there is not really a defensive player worthy(game changer) of being taken at #3. But, there are plenty of "holes" in both Stafford and Sanchez to cause concern. Stafford has not shown me the ability to make good reads. I have seen him play several times this year in which he will lock on to his primary read, leading to INTs he seems to think his arm strength can avoid. Sanchez is still very green. I see no way that spending #3 money on a kid that has started one season in college is a good move. I seriously doubt he is ready to start in the NFL week one next season, but he will likely have to if he is taken there. Not many teams drop that kind of cash on a player to hold a clip board. IMO in this years draft which is weak at the top, the Chiefs are in a lose-lose situation. Show me I am wrong Scott and work you magic!
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