Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB

[RunKC]

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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[HolyHat]

Originally Posted by tony77

Heres the reality . Everytime someone dose not agree some of you, you call them a troll. Its a different opinion idiot. Now stick it pussy.

Coming in here and spewing regurgitated bullshit from Mel Kipers aborted babies doesn't constitute as an opinion. When you do some ****ing homework, maybe...just maybe you can share your opinion. Until that happens get the **** out.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

I've always hated Foles. I think he sucks.

He's an upgrade from Cassel. That's what I'll give him credit for.

I'll be honest: You've advocated for that ****ing piece of shit in Stanzi too many times for me to count. You've said that Kirk Cousins sucks and is worse than Stanzi.

You've hated Foles since college. Yet, when I watched Philly, the ****ing guy LOOKED like an NFL QB and passed for 300+ yards and Cousins was in a better position and frame of mind to win against Seattle in the playoffs (and nearly pulled it off).

Then, you started with the Eugene nonsense and fought EVERYONE, national, local, forum, etc. that thought he was nothing more than a 2nd rounder.

You, sir, don't know ****ing DICK about how college QB's translate to the NFL.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

He just got done throwing for 4,000 yards and 27 TD.

I'm pretty sure he was going to rape here with Charles and Bowe, at least to the extent that we wouldn't be one of the worst teams in football.

Clark would have loved him some 8-8.

Then you didn't watch his games.

[BossChief]

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

"There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws"

"To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. Had said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews."


These are the important parts that aren't poisoned by Kiper garbage.

[HolyHat]

Originally Posted by tony77

Priest all of the examples you showed he was not under pressure. Games when he was pressured like his bowl game he fold and starts checkin down.

Are you referring to the only game you watched all year again? Spectacular takes by Tony77 once again.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then you didn't watch his games.

It seems YOU didn't, because the only thing keeping Tampa Bay's awful defense in games was Freeman and his running game.

With the Chiefs' defense, Charles and Freeman (who was one of the best downfield passers in the league last year) would absolutely make this a winning team.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

"There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws"

"To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. Had said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews."


These are the important parts that aren't poisoned by Kiper garbage.

What about thousands of hours of film?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And unfortunately, if the Chiefs had taken Sanchez, the results would have likely been identical.

Most likely, but he, like nearly all QBs put in a situation like that, was dealt 10-4 offsuit and told to go All-In.

The worst possible coach you can have for a young QB is a defensive minded coach who wants his QB to limit turnovers, run the ball, and play good defense. They neuter their quarterbacks and then tell them to go to stud.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

It seems YOU didn't, because the only thing keeping Tampa Bay's awful defense in games was Freeman and his running game.

With the Chiefs' defense, Charles and Freeman (who was one of the best downfield passers in the league last year) would absolutely make this a winning team.

Actually, I did.

Freeman was on the verge of something special in 2010 but sucked ass in 2011 and reverted to form in the latter half of 2012.

Tampa is currently exploring their options at QB but they do not feel that Freeman is a franchise QB.

[HolyHat]

Nick Foles is a slightly better version of Derek Anderson to me. He will show flashes of potential, but probably not amount to much more than a back-up. I hope I'm wrong if we get him. If anyone is going to get maximum potential from Foles, it's Reid.

[Hammock Parties]

I didn't say he was a franchise QB, but he's clearly in the top half of the league. He's not Cassel. Pioli screwed the pooch.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I'll say it now: if we're going this route we should float a fifth rounder to the Jags for Gabbert and have him sit the bench for the next year and a half.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Most likely, but he, like nearly all QBs put in a situation like that, was dealt 10-4 offsuit and told to go All-In.

The worst possible coach you can have for a young QB is a defensive minded coach who wants his QB to limit turnovers, run the ball, and play good defense. They neuter their quarterbacks and then tell them to go to stud.

As I'm sure you'll recall, everything was so ****ED in 2009 that I can't imagine that anyone, whether it's Cassel or Sanchez or even a guy like Stafford, could have benefited from that colossal cluster****.

Pioli and Haley sure had an eye for wide receivers, offensive lineman and running backs, didn't they?



Who the **** has Jamaal Charles on the bench and sits him for Larry ****ING Johnson.

[HolyHat]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Most likely, but he, like nearly all QBs put in a situation like that, was dealt 10-4 offsuit and told to go All-In.

The worst possible coach you can have for a young QB is a defensive minded coach who wants his QB to limit turnovers, run the ball, and play good defense. They neuter their quarterbacks and then tell them to go to stud.

This is the second time tonight you have made a poker reference. You live in KC? We should hit up the casino sometime my friend.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'll say it now: if we're going this route we should float a fifth rounder to the Jags for Gabbert and have him sit the bench for the next year and a half.

Might as well hedge our bets on retreads.