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06-23-2010, 07:53 AM | #6211 |
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I said "I think ___ shows are better." The words "I think" serve the same purpose as "IMO," yes?
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06-23-2010, 08:56 AM | #6212 |
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Somehow I missed that. Sorry dude.
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06-23-2010, 01:22 PM | #6213 |
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I just watched a great film from 1971 called Walkabout. It is essentially LOST: the movie. A teenage girl and her little brother are taken out to the Australian outback by their father who attempts to kill them. They escape and dad commits suicide. The two are not having a good show of surviving alone on the wilderness when an Aborigine boy, on his rite of passage known as the Walkabout, finds them and helps them survive. This is not a happy movie, though. The lack of communication between them ends up ensuring that, while together, the white kids and the Aborigine kid end up more lost in their lives than ever before. Simple story of desperation and sadness. But the thematic parallels to Lost are many in number: daddy issues, the failure to communicate with the people you're with, surviving in the wilderness together vs dying in it alone, nature as something to protect, hunting as metaphor,fear of the Others, the question of whether or not man is inherently savage, the pitfalls of life in modernity and the possibility of finding yourself out in the wilderness, the desperate need to go "home." Even time; the movie is perhaps not shown in exact chronological order and some scenes might be imagined, even. There are numerous motifs that the film and the show share: a toy airplane, mysterious radio brodcasts, numbers, a team of scientists out in the wild.
I'd recommend this film to everyone, as it is quite good (a part of the Criterion collection and available on Netflix streaming), but especially to fans of Lost. |
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06-23-2010, 03:08 PM | #6214 |
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Hmmm, where to start, Reaper.
I agree with about 98% of what you concluded. Hell, our lists are almost identical. I do wonder if Henry Ian Cusick would be in the elite tier if his character was as meaty as, say, Locke. I think so. I'm curious why you think the determinism is un-American. While I can see your perspective, I find it extremely American, especially when one views America thru the religious light it casts. I do think a lot of your Season 6 dislike stems from the sideways being ultimately pointless, which is my main complaint. But I thought they hit enough highs in the season to rank it higher than you did. Having said that, I am certainly a "Man of Science" yet find myself taking the Man of Faith position wrt the end (aka Dane vs all).
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I don't know if Cusick could get better. He was pretty good, and mostly because of his role, imo. A lot of people confuse good acting with intense characters. Few lost fans, I'd wager, will be able to see how great of an acting performance that Yunjin Kim turned in as Sun. Earlier in the thread Buck gave me a curt, dismissive "no" in response to my assertion that she might be the best actor on the show. She was superb. Trust me on this: it is easier for someone to give a good performance if their roles are as meaty as Ben and Locke. There was tons of shit for the actor to work with in those roles, and Emerson & O'Quinn stepped up to the plate marvelously. Junjin Kim has shit to work with and her acting was still as strong as Emerson's & O'Quinn's. Cuskick was good and convincing with all the wild eyes and shifts between confusion and calmness and "You gonna' die, Chaa-lee" and "[INSERT PHRASE HERE IN CAPS LOCK], BRUTHA!" But he wasn't on the level of the three actors I placed in the elite tier. |
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2.) Could you talk about why you take a Faithful approach to the finale/series? I'm truly interested in discrepancies from my theory. |
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I think Andrews' accent change tells of his feelings about his character - which was superfluous. Quote:
Dane's approach, on the other hand, is a Man of Faith claim in that there is virtually no evidence but it's simultaneously a Man of Science claim to conclude it was just flashes before death.
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I was hopeful that his accent change was a reflection of the "infection," but I can't say that it was. Andrews had the same change in accent in his flash-sideways version, both before and after "remembering." I think it was just carelessness.
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But what seals the deal for my Man of Science overall attitude is that the faithy ending was, indeed, shitty. It was a giant cop out and it rendered moot the most intriguing story line in Season 6 which was Desmond's mission. That said, would not letting the faithy ending sour my overall liking of the show invoke Man of Faith qualities?
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Well, Reaper, I'm glad you finished it. I'm glad you enjoyed it. But I think it's safe to say our tastes run in slightly different directions. But you support your position well. Thanks for the write-up. I really enjoyed reading it.
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we can haz discusshunz?
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I totally agree with you about Desmond's flash-sides quest being made less-good once you know he's an agent of new-agey-spiritual-awakening-mission-from-God stuff. Yes; not letting the faithy ending sour your liking is a faithful attribute. That doesn't clash with how I see the show working wrt science and faith. |
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