**** OFFICIAL 2012-2013 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread ****

[ArrowheadHawk]

#1 Seed South Region (31-5,14-4,5-0)

Roster

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1 Naadir Tharpe Guard 5-11 170 So.
2 Rio Adams Guard 6-3 190 Fr.
3 Andrew White III Guard 6-6 210 Fr.
4 Justin Wesley Forward 6-9 220 RS Jr.
5 Jeff Withey Center 7-0 235 RS Sr.
10 Evan Manning Guard 6-3 170 Fr.
11 Tyler Self Guard 6-2 165 Fr.
15 Elijah Johnson Guard 6-4 195 Sr.
20 Niko Roberts Guard 5-11 175 Jr.
21 Christian Garrett Guard 6-3 185 So.
23 Ben McLemore Guard 6-5 195 RS Fr.
24 Travis Releford Guard 6-6 210 RS Sr.
31 Jamari Traylor Forward 6-8 220 RS Fr.
32 Zach Peters Forward 6-9 240 Fr.
33 Landen Lucas Forward 6-10 240 Fr.
34 Perry Ellis Forward 6-8 225 Fr.
40 Kevin Young Forward 6-8 190 Sr.

Non-Con Schedule

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Fri, Nov. 9 SE Missouri State at Kansas (W 74-55)
Tue, Nov. 13 Michigan St. at Kansas Atlanta, Ga. (L 64-67)
Thu, Nov. 15 UTC at Kansas (W 69-55)
Mon, Nov. 19 Washington State at Kansas Sprint Center (W 78-41)
Tue, Nov. 20 St. Louis at Kansas Sprint Center (W 73-59)
Mon, Nov. 26 SJSU at Kansas (W 70-57)
Fri, Nov. 30 Oregon State at Kansas (W 84-78)
Sat, Dec. 8 Colorado at Kansas (W 90-54)
Sat, Dec. 15 Belmont at Kansas (W 89-60)
Tue, Dec. 18 Richmond at Kansas (W 87-59)
Sat, Dec. 22 Kansas at Ohio St. (W 74-66)
Sat, Dec. 29 American at Kansas (W 89-57)
Sun, Jan. 6 Temple at Kansas (W 69-62)

Conference Schedule

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Wed, Jan. 9 Iowa State at Kansas (W 97-89 )
Sat, Jan. 12 Kansas at TT (W 60-46)
Mon, Jan. 14 Baylor at Kansas (W 61-44)
Sat, Jan. 19 Kansas at Texas (W 64-59)
Tue, Jan. 22 Kansas at Kansas State (W 59-55)
Sat, Jan. 26 Oklahoma at Kansas (W 67-54)
Mon, Jan. 28 Kansas at West Virginia (W 61-56)
Sat, Feb. 2 Okla. St. at Kansas (L 80-85)
Wed, Feb. 6 Kansas at TCU (L 55-62)
Sat, Feb. 9 Kansas at Oklahoma (L 66-72)
Mon, Feb. 11 Kansas State at Kansas (W 83-62)
Sat, Feb. 16 Texas at Kansas (W 73-47)
Wed, Feb. 20 Kansas at Okla. St. (W 68-67)
Sat, Feb. 23 TCU at Kansas (W 74-48)
Mon, Feb. 25 Kansas at Iowa State (W 108-96)
Sat, March 2 West Virginia at Kansas (W 91-65)
Mon, March 4 TT at Kansas (W 79-42)
Sat, March 9 Kansas at Baylor (L 58-81)

Post Season
Thu, March 14 TT at Kansas (W 91-63)
Fri, March 15 Iowa State at Kansas (W 88-73)
Sat, March 15 Kansas State at Kansas (W 70-54)
Fri, March 22 (16)Western Kentucky vs (1)Kansas (W 64-57)
Sun, March 24 (8)UNC vs (1)Kansas (W 70-58)
Fri, March 29 (4)Michigan at (1)Kansas Cowboys Stadium, Arlington, TX 6:37PM

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

@markwestern1: BMac yet to write his KU legacy. Lose this weekend & he'll be talked about fondly like Dru Gooden. Win a ship, Danny Manning level. #kubball

If he loses this weekend he can't be in the same stratosphere as Gooden.

BeMac better stay one more year or he will probably Selby it up in the NBA.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

BeMac better stay one more year or he will probably Selby it up in the NBA.

A lot of people say this and it always makes me cringe. Maybe I just don't understand the logic. Can you please explain this line of thinking to me?

[Shogun]

I'm willing to bet that Bmac has more points in his 1st season in the NBA than Josh selby will have in his NBA career

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by Pants

A lot of people say this and it always makes me cringe. Maybe I just don't understand the logic. Can you please explain this line of thinking to me?

He hasn't been doing well in the tournament. He does not deserve to be a lottery pick.

If I had to bet, I would say he'd suck in the NBA if he declared this year. He might also suck after spending 3 more years at KU, but most likely, an additional year will improve his skills, don't you think?

[Prison Bitch]

Why don't we let the experts who are paid big money by nba teams to judge talent. If they say Ben is a top 3 pick and Selby was a second rounder, I'll assume they know more than message board posters

[Shogun]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

He hasn't been doing well in the tournament. He does not deserve to be a lottery pick.

If I had to bet, I would say he'd suck in the NBA if he declared this year. He might also suck after spending 3 more years at KU, but most likely, an additional year will improve his skills, don't you think?

Thats not how the NBA draft works though. Its all potential, I'd say 25% shown skill, 75% potential or something close to that

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Why don't we let the experts who are paid big money by nba teams to judge talent. If they say Ben is a top 3 pick and Selby was a second rounder, I'll assume they know more than message board posters

I would agree.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

He hasn't been doing well in the tournament. He does not deserve to be a lottery pick.

If I had to bet, I would say he'd suck in the NBA if he declared this year. He might also suck after spending 3 more years at KU, but most likely, an additional year will improve his skills, don't you think?

Saying Ben doesn't deserve to be a lottery pick because he hasn't done well in the tournament is, well... rather silly. Name me 14 players who you think have more talent than Ben and "deserve" to be a lottery pick, please.

I think going through the NBA training regiment will improve anyone's skills much more significantly than going through the college training regiment. Don't you think?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

He hasn't been doing well in the tournament. He does not deserve to be a lottery pick.

Not sure how the former leads to the reasoning of the latter.

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by Pants

Saying Ben doesn't deserve to be a lottery pick because he hasn't done well in the tournament is, well... rather silly. Name me 14 players who you think have more talent than Ben and "deserve" to be a lottery pick, please.

I think going through the NBA training regiment will improve anyone's skills much more significantly than going through the college training regiment. Don't you think?

Training does help, but I am not sure if it will teach him how to be clutch and operate under pressure.

You have a point, if this year's class is not that good, then all power to him, let him go and cash in. My main concern is that he needs to learn how to play under pressure, his production in playoff like games has not been what's expected from top 10 NBA pick.

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Not sure how the former leads to the reasoning of the latter.

If I were an NBA scout, I would probably look at how a player fairs under the big lights.

In the last 4 games, he has been below mediocre, and those were the games that could solidify you as deserving of a top pick or not.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

Training does help, but I am not sure if it will teach him how to be clutch and operate under pressure.

You have a point, if this year's class is not that good, then all power to him, let him go and cash in. My main concern is that he needs to learn how to play under pressure, his production in playoff like games has not been what's expected from top 10 NBA pick.

But how is playing in college teach him to be clutch any better than the NBA will?

If anything, playing basketball professionally is going to be much more routine. I think Ben has enough talent and athletic ability to be a top 3 pick. I don't think staying in college is going to benefit him.

[Imon Yourside]

Ben needs to go and will make a fine Nba balla, make some money and help us land more one and dones.

[BourbonMan]

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Shaka Smart loves him the small time. Turns down UCLA, signs extension with VCU.

Originally Posted by CJizzles

Damn. That's nuts.

Originally Posted by DJay23

I get loyalty and all of that, but at some point you are passing up a completely different lifestyle for you and your family. Maybe he's happy where he is and doesn't need/want the money/big time coaching legacy. But damn, it seems like a big gamble. I wonder if there's some school that's his dream to coach at and he's waiting on that.

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

10 yrs at VCU? Right there tells you he's not ready for the big time and pressure it takes to be the HC at a school like UCLA. He's thinking he can dominate in a smaller picture.

But whatever...I think he can recruit LA and make UCLA a damn good program again...but it looks like he's just a huge pussy. You don't coach basketball in the NCAA to end up at schools like VCU. JMO

Originally Posted by Braincase

One of the stupidest things ever said on this board. Job security at 3.75 mill a year? What the turnover like in the NBA? Give me the names of the bottom 10 NBA coaches. Are they doing better than Bill?

Keep your ignorant comments over in the Mizzou annd KState threads.

Kiss my ass, Braincase...

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Thinking Self or Smart are 'pussing out' or whatever is freakin' ridiculous.... give me a ****ing break, if anything, those guys would have a hard time holding back their ego. It's much more logical to assume that maybe they've actually analyzed their situations and have weighed their options with family, job security, etc; in mind, and their current job is simply the better fit.

Oh yeah, tell me more about this scared shitless coach who has won everywhere he's been...

Bearcat, I totally agree.

I was just responding to you guys putting down Smart for not trying to go to a bigger stage, you can't blame him, he is contempt at where he's at....Just like Bill Self is contempt to stay where he is at...You're putting down 1 coach and defending another for doing the same thing.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by BourbonMan

Kiss my ass, Braincase...


Bearcat, I totally agree.

I was just responding to you guys putting down Smart for not trying to go to a bigger stage, you can't blame him, he is contempt at where he's at....Just like Bill Self is contempt to stay where he is at...You're putting down 1 coach and defending another for doing the same thing.

Ok, I can't stand this any more. The word is 'content', not contempt. Two totally different meanings.


And FTR, I don't blame Smart at all for not taking the UCLA job. That program is a mess. And I think people saying you could be fired despite winning the conference and having been to 3 straight FFs just a few years earlier are forgetting that scathing piece on Howland's program that came out last year. I assume the way his program has been run is why he got fired.

Also, Self may simply look at KU as being a better job than any NBA job. Coaching college kids is a whole different animal than coaching professionals, many of whom are prima donnas. Some coaches are simply not cut out to coach pros or simply may not want to deal with the over inflated egos of pros. Nothing wrong with recognizing that. Just look at Nick Saban. I think he figured that out about himself and has since been doing just fine.